Creation Switches to Judd Power

[jhansen]

This definitely caught my eye this morning. From crash.net:

http://www.crash.net/uk/en/news_view...=28&nid=104219

I think this is a good move personally. Judd has been active in sportscar racing for sometime. They have certainly worked on making their engines reliable over 24 hours.

Creation are serious for 2005. They are definitely looking for reliability and consistency. Add to this that they will be on Michelins and look out for the blue rocket in 2005!

[Shady#30]

So what do we call the car now? haha

[gi_gav]

A Zytek-Judd? I thought the chassis was still a Zytek.

from crash.net - "Creation will be targeting success in the Le Mans Endurance Series and - subject to an entry being granted - the 24 Hours of Le Mans"

Obviously taking no chances after last year's ACO selection fiasco

[Fogelhund]

It'll be a Creation Judd... shortened to Crudd.

Hopefully they will find some reliability to go with their speed now.

[jhansen]

But it's not a Zytek chassis. It's actually a DBA4-03S-Judd now.

See here for explanation:

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/rey02s.html

[tblincoe]

this is a pretty interesting move as the Zytek powerplant has been strong all along in terms of performance so this must be a reliability move, it will be interesting to see how the car performs as the XV should be right around the Zytek's output but with a slight reduction in weight as well as an increase in reliability as the Judd is now a 24 hour engine...

plus, we can't forget how good those Judds sound... man i can't wait for sebring!!!

[slicktsax]

well personally i think the zytek V8 sounds better. being american i prefer the V8 rumble compared to the high pitch make your ears bleed scream of the judd V10's. with that being said i do like the sound of the ferrari V12 that sound i can live with. as far as creation switching to judd well we'll have to see. judd has a proven track record now but i think zytek's engines are coming on strong. Zytek is also going to use a 4 liter version of it's V8 for the new MG touring car in the german DTM series since Zytek is developing the MG DTM car. remember back in 2001 when teh panoz LMP 07 used a 4 liter Zytek, the engine had power to match the audis on straights but the engine was never designed to be put in a front engined car which is why it had so many problems. given a proper development time i think the panoz lmp 07's with the zytek V8 would have been a formidable package but Mr. Panoz i feel was too impatient.

[paul-collins]

The Judd in this case is the KV (XV?), which is also V8.

[The Boot]

Since they will be running a 24 Hour test in March does that mean Sebring is out of the picture?

[tblincoe]

i'm pretty sure they are running a 24 hour test in february, but they are definitely going to be at sebring...

and the Judd in the Creation will be the XV which is an evolution of the KV 3.4 Liter V8

[slicktsax]

well let's just hope it's reliable in the creation car. it certainly has the power. i wish the creation boys good luck and i hope they will do a lot more alms races in the future

[Bentley03]

Originally Posted by tblincoe

i'm pretty sure they are running a 24 hour test in february, but they are definitely going to be at sebring...

and the Judd in the Creation will be the XV which is an evolution of the KV 3.4 Liter V8

If you were hoping to see the Blue Rocket at Sebring I think you will be disappointed. 24 hour test in March, then Ricard test followed by Spa 1000kms. That will be the build up to their assault on the 24 hours at Le Mans as things stand.

[Fab]

Originally Posted by Bentley03

If you were hoping to see the Blue Rocket at Sebring I think you will be disappointed.

Darn

[MulsanneMike]

Originally Posted by slicktsax

remember back in 2001 when teh panoz LMP 07 used a 4 liter Zytek, the engine had power to match the audis on straights but the engine was never designed to be put in a front engined car which is why it had so many problems. given a proper development time i think the panoz lmp 07's with the zytek V8 would have been a formidable package but Mr. Panoz i feel was too impatient.

2001 trap speeds, top 10:

7 Bentley EXP Speed 8 333 km/h (206.5 mph)
5 Cadillac Northstar LMP 325 km/h (201.5 mph)
4 Audi R8 324 km/h (200.9 mph)
10 Dome-Judd S101 332 km/h (205.8 mph)
21 Ascari-Judd A410 319 km/h (197.8 mph)
3 Audi R8 - 318 km/h (197.2 mph)
20 Ascari-Judd A410 325 km/h (201.5 mph)
16 Dallara Mopar 318 km/h (197.2 mph)
2 Audi R8 328 km/h (203.4 mph) 302 km/h
37 Reynard-Judd 01Q 314 km/h (194.7 mph)

12 Panoz LMP07 303 km/h (187.9 mph)
11 Panoz LMP07 302 km/h (187.2 mph)

Clearly the 07's lacked power and couldn't hang with a wet rag on the straights.

Bu then LMP07's problems were many. The car was full of compromises from the begining and while the engine wasn't up to snuff, many things were not up to snuff. Having said that, Multimatic spent a year with the car after Panoz gave up and they couldn't get anything out of it. Suffice to say, if you compromise your design from the begining you end up with something untenable in the end. The LMP07 was doomed from the start.

[Fab]

Slick, for what I saw on the track in 2001, the P07 was appaling... too bad, while the shape of the car was impressive... sharp... really great, IMHO.

The car and the engine deserved a better fate, but there was really too much work on it (IMO again). That said, Zytek showed us was they were able to do with the DBA... those that were at LM in 1999 may remember the wonderful - but consternating - Audi GTP... a lot of cars deserved - and still deserve - more time, including my favourite one (the CLR).

The worst thing was that the car didn't stand wet weather... in 2001...

I don't intend to open a debate here... just my 2p about the P07...