Group A Ford Mustang ETC/DTM - Page 2 - 10-Tenths Motorsport Forum

lj79 · 25 Feb 2005, 20:45

Who prepared the Belga Mustang in Etcc 1983?

Vince Woodman was one of the drivers - did Regout drive at Spa?

Can't remember the detail, just remember the noise

Glyn Parham - yes Belmondo / Feitler / Felder 84 Spa. Again, nice noise, but way off the pace. Was this the 83 Belga car by any chance?

glyn parham · 25 Feb 2005, 21:55

lj79
I suspect it was the same car. Woodmans co-drivers may have been the Martin brothers, I haven't looked at Frank de Jongs web site to confirm it though.
There is a photo of the Belmondo car on Franks' site supplied by me, look in the epicture archive for the Spa 24 hour round of the ETCC.

Glyn

glyn parham · 25 Feb 2005, 22:07

Just done some homework, and Woodmans co-drivers were indeed the Martin brothers. CC Motorsport entered the car and I suspect that they prepared it as well, they had prepared Vinces' Capris in previous years.
Glyn

lj79 · 25 Feb 2005, 22:47

Glyn - thanks. yep-cc. 84 they prepared those lovely 635s for Weaver and Woodman in the BTCC - at the 84 ETCC race at Donington Weaver/Woodman came second to the XJS of Percy/Nicholson and out of all the opposition (Juma, Eggenberger, Schnitzer et al) was the only car that looked like taking it to the Jags.

Got photos of the Mustang at Spa - me and dad got **** wet through until Sunday morning upon which we got sunburnt. No place like Spa

d-b · 26 Feb 2005, 16:07

hi there

there's a Mustang racing in ETC on one of the Sports Seen ETC videos
(the ones with the blue cover and the SD1 on the front)
can't remember which one though

i think the car was white and driven by Vince Woodman (if memory serves me,which it probably doesn't)

hope this is some help

d-b

cavvy · 26 Feb 2005, 21:30

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Originally Posted by gab73

hi anybody have pictures of the gpa mustangs raced in europe.
or links to websites with pictiures.
does anybody know what the djr mustangs look like before he aquired them from zakspeed

Dick Johnson gave the Gr A Mustang (s) a run during practice at Bathurst in 1984, the last year of Gr C - there are photos, the car was still white as delivered, try www.autopics.com.au

**chunterer** · 1 Mar 2005, 14:49

The ETCC Woodman/Belga car had a big feature in MN by Jeremy Walton in June '83.

They had hoped that the MSA would would open up the BTCC big class 3500 cc limit to allow it and the XJS in against the Vitesses and 635'S. but it didn't happen until much later. They were probably hoping that Ford GB might chuck them some cash as well. I'm sure Vince was hoping so too as he wanted to stick with Ford and needed something to replace the Capri.

Shame because a properly developed Mustang may well have been competitive after a bit of work. Then CC did the deal with BMW GB to run 635's for '84 and that was the end of that anyway.

I think one was reasonably competitive in the German series in 84/85 but can't remember who drove it

Jesper OH · 1 Mar 2005, 17:14

Manfred Trint was pretty competitive during the 1984 DTM - whenever his ABR Ringshausen Rennsport Mustang lasted. One win and three heat wins (one for every two heat races that was held), was his best results, but finally finished sixth.

Another Mustang to appear in the 1984 DTM was Bodo Jähn in the Auto Veri Berlin-car, during a single round at Avus 1984. Two weeks prior to this, he tried to qualify the car for the Donington 500, so might this be a link to the 1983 CC-car?

The Trint-car was then raced by Roland Asch during 1985. He didn't win a single round, but had stability to finish fourth in the end standings. I believe Helmuth Döring was the driver of a second Ringshausen-Mustang, while Reinhold Gröpper drove a third German Mustang.

Asch drove a part time schedule in 1986, while Reinhold Gröpper upheld the Mustang honours during most of the 1986 and '87 season. A V. Schneider startet a single race in 1986.

It was late in 1988 that Gerd Ruch made his first appearance, but it was first in 1991 that the team expanded to two cars, sometime including brother Jürgen, at other times Fred Räker. The team last raced DTM-Ford Mustangs in 1994, alongside Jürgen Feucht and his Buffalo-car, that had been a part of the scene since 1992.

All in all Ford Mustangs were represented during 11 straight years of DTM competition, with basically the same car - a feat in it self!

Two other German based Mustangs I can think of include a Zakspeed car for Klaus Niedzwiedz. I remember reading that he came a close second to Tom Walkinshaw's Jaguar XJS during a warm-up race for the German GP at Hockenheim 1983.
This could very well be one of the future Dick Johnson cars.

Peter Seikel entered a car for himself and an Italian during selected European rounds of the 1987 European and World Touring Car Championship.

Jesper

lj79 · 1 Mar 2005, 23:21

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Originally Posted by Jesper OH

Two other German based Mustangs I can think of include a Zakspeed car for Klaus Niedzwiedz. I remember reading that he came a close second to Tom Walkinshaw's Jaguar XJS during a warm-up race for the German GP at

Jesper

Yes, I watched this. But close. 1983.

Tom was just stroking his big pussy

**chunterer** · 2 Mar 2005, 11:18

Ah yes Jesper, that's right, Trint was the guy in '84

And i'd forgotten about Asch- now he is a damn good driver - this was before he got 'noticed' and joined Merc and all that i suppose. So in Germnay it was a at least halfway competitive then?

Jesper OH · 2 Mar 2005, 16:35

So it seems, but only for the first two seasons - 1984 and 1985.

Jesper

racer69 · 3 Mar 2005, 10:34

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Originally Posted by Jesper OH

Two other German based Mustangs I can think of include a Zakspeed car for Klaus Niedzwiedz. I remember reading that he came a close second to Tom Walkinshaw's Jaguar XJS during a warm-up race for the German GP at Hockenheim 1983.
This could very well be one of the future Dick Johnson cars.

In Dick Johnson's book 'story of a folk hero' it confirms that one of the cars he purchased in late 1984 was this car.

Jesper OH · 3 Mar 2005, 21:11

Here's a link to the Nürburgring 24h-site: http://adac.24h-rennen.de/

Check out their "Archiv" under 1982-1992 for the 1984 edition of the race. Niedzwiedz/Doering/Gartmann retired their Ringshausen-Mustang - there's even a picture of the car. I guess the drivers must be Klaus Niedzwiedz/Helmut Döring/Dieter Gartmann.

Jesper

Jesper OH · 4 Mar 2005, 18:35

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Originally Posted by gab73

hi anybody have pictures of the gpa mustangs raced in europe.
or links to websites with pictiures.

http://www.zandbak.net/classic/86bergischeloewe/003.jpg

This is Reinhold Gröpper at Bergischer Löwe, Zolder, March 30th (the race date), 1986. Since he's not among the starters, this picture must be from a practice, qualifying session or warm-up session.

Jesper

gab73 · 12 May 2005, 10:42

does anyone have anymore info/pics/links on these cars???

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