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16 Nov 2005, 10:13
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Britcar, Brands Hatch - 19th November - split from Trackside for photography talk...
I'll be staying warm, not doing the race this year...but last year it was (choice few words omitted) freezing. The track dried out as the race went by, but it was too cold to even contemplate slicks.
Should be interesting to watch though.
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16 Nov 2005, 13:04
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There'll be a few spots where you can get some decent shots, but it will be difficult...
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16 Nov 2005, 13:08
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I've never used the camera for shots in darkness so I've got no delusions that I'm going to get good results, I'm just going to have a play with the camera settings and see what happens. So where do you think the best opportunities will be?
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16 Nov 2005, 14:35
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It shouldn`t be toooo difficult (he hopes)! I`m very much looking forward to it and will be a tad miffed if my shots are rrrrrubbish!! - I`ve had 2 years of practice at this event and this year I`m hoping to have it down to a fine art!
BertMk2 - depends what type of camera you have - if it`s got a meaty enough flash you should be able to get plenty of decent panned shots inside druids - indeed here is the only real place us spectators will be close enough to get a decent flash shot. If you bring a tripod or something to rest your camera on then try Clearways (where GP circuit rejoins Indy as there is no fence there) for a good long-exposure shot to get the headlights/tail-lights zig-zagging across the frame as the cars take Surtees and McLaren. This shot would give you a nice backdrop of Control Tower/Pits as well. Also, try the bottom of the Druids enclosure looking back along Cooper straight with the Control Tower/Pits in the background.
If you don`t have a tripod then don`t try to do a 5 or 6 second exposure shot handheld though!!! Bring something you can stand on the ground (chair/step-stool/up-turned waste-paper basket??!!!) and then lay something soft and padded on top (say, a folded up jumper or something) then you can squash your camera down into that so that it can sit, motionless, whilst you take any long exposures. I know, you`re thinking "Waste paper basket?!" but hey, it`s a club-meeting and it`ll be dark, so the few spectators who ARE there won`t be able to see you!!!!
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16 Nov 2005, 14:49
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Oh, and remember, with flash photography in the dark, it`s the flash that freezes the motion, not the shutter speed. In other words - you don`t need a fast shutter any more to freeze motion. If you pick a say, 1/60th Shutter, then the flash will **FLASH** at some point whilst the shutter is open, freezing the image there and then. As soon as it has flashed there is no more light coming into the camera so if you have an unsteady hand it shouldn`t cause things to be blurred - well in principle that`s how I understand it!!!
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16 Nov 2005, 15:56
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Using a slow shutter with rear-curtain sync on the flash produces some interesting results aswell!
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16 Nov 2005, 16:16
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Ah, that`s all about the way the lights get portrayed isn`t it?? Been meaning to gen-up on that before the weekend.....
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16 Nov 2005, 16:44
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My camera is a Canon EOS 350D so it's got all the twiddly setting bits and pieces - I'm fairly happy with changing shutter speeds and panning (had plenty of practice at that now) but I think I need to read some more of the manual before the weekend! I've got an external flash unit but I've not used it before so I don't know how good it is (I got given it by a mate - it's a freebie cast off so I've got a clue how good it is  ).
Luckily for me the after dark photos will only be for my benefit, as long as my TRC photos are ok anything else after that is a bonus.
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16 Nov 2005, 18:06
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You should be OK with that I`dve thought. I have an external flash as well for my 20D - it`s not the top one in the range but is good enough for close stuff at tracks like Brands. I think the 350 is based around the 20D if memory serves me correct so you can bump the ISO right up to 800 without too much grain if your flash isn`t getting you enough light. It`s a shame the T&R races are sooo short - 8 and 12 minutes won`t last long - especially with a full grid of cars.
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16 Nov 2005, 20:02
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Yet another attendee here - the last meeting of the year - only another 4 months 'till the next one !!
Anorak & wooly hat at the ready, camera packed and prepared for chimping (see thread in photography section).
Just one question - with all this talk about flash photography, how about a contribution from a driver as to their opinion (not a dig - just interested how it affects them).
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16 Nov 2005, 20:10
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Alfaholic - I`ve often thought the same, and as a speccy I never get the flash out until I see a pro already using one trackside! I was told by a pro a couple of years back that it`s head-on flash stuff that the drivers dislike but that panned shooting doesn`t really have such a distracting effect. I`d be interested to know a more definitive answer though (if there is one) - I only shoot panned images myself as without a press pass head-on stuff is not really possible at a close range at most UK circuits due to fencing.
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16 Nov 2005, 20:28
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Elio, if you are who I think you are, you do most of your shooting from the inside of Druids. However in a right hand drive car the driver is on the inside of the corner where you would be shooting and looking at an angle round the corner and more towards you so the flash may be more distracting.
I fancy joining Elio trying some flash photography but don't want to upset any drivers, so their input would be welcome.
p.s. Is this Trackside or Photography?
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16 Nov 2005, 20:33
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This seems more like photography..but it says trackside!
I'll be there find me early helping to sign on the Track and Racecar guys, and then later on wandering somewhere.
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