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Old 5 Nov 2003, 09:21   #1
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Brabham BT35

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BT30-15 some clarification is at hand. The Salisbury BT35 is a different car. Salisbury races the BT30 at the Boxing Day '71 meeting at Brands. I think that this is the car that goes to Martin Webb. The BT35 is retained by Gerard until '73 then Harry Gilbert. 1975 John Wingfield, 1976 John Thistlethwaite for Tim Wood

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Old 5 Nov 2003, 19:17   #2
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The ex-Gerard/Salisbury BT35 was regularly raced by Nick Overall in HSCC events late ‘80s/early ‘90s

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Old 5 Nov 2003, 22:43   #3
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Chris/David.

Is it to much to believe that David McKinney's report of BT30-15 as now with Bob Salisbury, is this perhaps the same Robert[Bob] Salisbury ex. Gerrard.????

Had only last night after posting , decided that the Salisbury BT30 and BT35 would be two seperate entities, purely down to the wording of one adv. in period, which I revisited. So I will seperate the BT35 out .

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Old 5 Nov 2003, 23:34   #4
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Despite Andrew Fellowes champing at the bit in Surfers Paradise re. BT36's , I will list what I can for BT35's 1st. as they are well entwined .

BT35 , this is all I have on all cars , and have listed F3's that I have info. on , it may assist some one somewhere.

BT35-1 , F3 , Race Cars International, Brendan McInerny 25-3-1971 p.35 , to Geog Pinhol[ portugese driver] , for sale A/S 28-10-1971.

BT35-2 , F3 , Colin Vanderwell 25-3-1971 p.35.

BT35-3 , F3 , Bernard Lagier [ French Brabham Importer ]

BT35-4 , F3 , Chris O'Brien [ Canadian in U.K. ].

BT35-5 , F3 , Jean Louis LaFosse [ French].

BT35-6 , F/A , Nicolas Cook Ford Twin-cam , at Snetterton 20-5-1971 p.31 , for sale 28-10-1971 p.63 , with a note , car to go to U.S.A. , car did return.

BT35-8 , F/A , new to Ed Reeves 24-3-1971 , with BDA , used 12 times that I can find in U.K. Yellow Pages Atlantic series , 10 x Reeves , 2 x Dave Morgan at end of year. Re-engined with a David Wood prepared 1800cc Cosworth BDE and won the 1st round of the new 2000cc F2 Championship at Mallory Park in March 1972.
Sold shortly after to Australians Crystal and John Millard and came to Aust. not run again untill 1976 , fitted with a Ford Twin-cam , and raced as an Aust. F2 including Australian G.P. Car sold to Denis Lupton of Melb. Aust. and dismantled and stored untill purchased by Bryan Miller 2-4-1999 less eng. , now rebuilt with correct Cosworth BDE and used 1st time in historics at Eastern Creek Sydney Sept. 2003.

BT35-9 , Nick Craw .

BT35-19 , reported with Mathews Collection U.S.A. 2003

BT35-30 , F3, Conny Anderson , Sweeden 10-6-1971 p.6

BT35-36 , F3 ?? , Advert. never raced , A/S 18-11-1971, car came to Aust. almost immeadiately , and is now with Brian Sampson of Melbourne.

BT35X-1 , ?? , Sir Nicholas Williamson , Cosworth FVC 1790cc, 1st. outing appears to be 17-4-1971 p.53, for sale 4-11-1971 p.46 , and changed hands to Iain McLaren a/s/ 6-4-1972 p.41.

BT35X-2 , Tony Griffiths , 5.0 litre Repco U.K. hills A/S 8-4-1971.
Car now with Mitsuo Usaba / Leaf Garage , Japan. chassis number confirmed again in email from Usaba to Andrew Fellowes and copied to me. Nov. 2003.

Other period cars with no numbers as yet.

BT35 , Fred Opert / Robertson in Canada sept. 1971
BT35 , Ray Folland in Canada sept. 1971
BT35 , Alan Lader in Canada , A/S 21-10-1971 p4.
BT35 , Maurice McGraig ''''''''''''''''''''''''.
BT35 , Gray Mickel in U.K. hills A/S 30-3-1972 p.44 , note as brand new for hills in 1972.
BT35 , For Jimmy Fuller with at T/C used at Guyana , Fuller from Antigua.
BT35 , Gerrard / Salisbury till 1973, then to Harry Gilbert,1975 John Wingfield, 1976 John Thistlethwaite for Tim Wood , by late 1980's early 1990's Nick Overall.

MRE have a car for sale advertised as BT35 converted to F2 specs. A/S 20-4-1972 p.57.

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Old 6 Nov 2003, 02:01   #5
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OK Bryan, one day we'll get to the 36's (cart horse before the Lord Mayors Show?)

BT35X-1, now with Chris Roden, Hampshire. UK (VSCC forum; www.vscc.co.uk/default.asp)

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Old 6 Nov 2003, 14:48   #6
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I've been reading this thread with great interest, but haven't chipped in until now as I had nothing to add. But I would like to say that I was really pleased to read that the ex-Dave Morgan BT35 is alive and well and in such good hands. I'm something of a Morgan fan (you'd never know, would you) so that really made my day. I did actually see the car race at Oulton in 1971 with Ed Reeves at the wheel, I may still have details of the race results somewhere, so if I can find them I'll let you know how it got on that day. Thanks for starting this Bryan - fascinating stuff.

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Old 6 Nov 2003, 20:43   #7
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Davemorganfan I saw BT35-8 at Eastern Creek, Bryan has put it in period trim & it now looks quite stunning.

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Old 7 Nov 2003, 06:16   #8
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BT35/3
Nick Reed in HSCC events 1999

BT35/6
I have Cook in this car again in 1972
Car was in the Netherlands in the early ‘90s

BT35/7
Not on your list. I have it as the Fred Opert/Sandy Shepard car
Campaigned since 1995 by Sid Hoole, Duncan Dayton etc

BT35/28
Swiss hillclimb car 1971, Euro F3 1972-73
Lincoln Small UK -88-94
Nick Overall for sale 1997

BT35/35
for sale in Gloucestershire 1990/91

BT35/44
This is the number I have for the Mickel hillclimb car
Other owners on UK hills throughout the ‘70s
Fred Edwards in HSCC events -88-92

BT35X/2
I have a note that despite its number this car is really a BT36 (for what that’s worth)

Some more unknowns from the early years:

•Mike Hawley UK hillclimbs 1971 (t/c) and 1972 (FVA)
Tony Harrison 1973, David Render 1974-75

•Bob Marsland FAt 1972, Euro hillclimbs and Nivelles F2 1973

•Rob Turnbull UK hillclimbs from 1973

*Ronnie Mackay in Scotland 1973

•Mike Hall US FB late 1971

•Bertil Roos FB early 1973 (no doubt an Opert car)

•Ric Forrest Canadian FB 1973

•Mike Gill in the Caribbean 1973 - ex-Fuller?
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Old 7 Nov 2003, 07:57   #9
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I owned BT35X-2 after my BT30. It ended up with a BDA engine and was used by Shaun Mooney in Euro F2. Tony Griffiths I beleive ordrered and received a BT30 but as it was to be used on the "hills" it was designated an "X" No by Brabhams. I also owned the BT30X It was basically a modified BT23 fitted with 23 Bodywork to take the 2 Litre V8 Climax. It was later fitted with a Buick and even later was "cloned" into 2 Cars.
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Old 7 Nov 2003, 09:28   #10
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Before I venture to BT36 territory , sorry Andrew , I needed to advise a few things.

The Mike Lawrence book , of which Ron T. was quite complimentary about to me at Eastern Creek a few weeks ago has production lists , I also have , which Mike probably used , thought Ron T. 3 very large sheets apparently commisioned by Bernie E. some time after he purchased Brabhams, and these sheets , painstakingly done in hand , give details in regard to model number , production volume , tracks , wheelbases , fuel tankage ,etc.etc.
Mostly appears the same in the Lawrence book.

If we take the production figures for the cars we are discussing , we get .

BT35 ,

BT35A , 1971 , 3 off , Atlantic. inboard rear brakes , which is exactly BT35-8's specs. except from new with BDA , not twin-cam as per Lawrence.
Also the plate on mine is simply BT35-8 , no mention of an ''A ''

BT35B , 7 off , as FormulaB/Atl. in Lawrence book , but only as Formula B in the sheets.

BT35C , 27 off, as F3 .

BT35X , 4 off , all as hillclimb cars and all with 4 gall fuel tanks.
Two are listed as Ford Twin-cam .
One as Cosworth FVC.
One as 5.0 Repco .

O.K . the last 2 we know about , but I suggest at least one of the first 2 will be the Mike Hawley car , also Lawrence states the 5.0 Repco car was McDowells, do we all agree this is incorrect and he is referring to the BT36X.

Has anybody ever heard or seen ref. to a BT35X -3 , OR -4 , or were they not numbered as such.

Ted , who owns the two cars, i.e one correct and one clone.?????

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Old 7 Nov 2003, 10:48   #11
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I saw Hawley's BT35-FVA in hillclimbs in 1972, and although I noted the chassis no., the info. is not with me, but approx. 100 miles away at my parent's house.... so sometime around Christmas I'll hopefully be able to give it.
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Old 7 Nov 2003, 21:31   #12
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1 more located;

BT35-33 Mathews Collection (as well as 35-19 as listed above)

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Old 9 Nov 2003, 07:25   #13
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David.

I just checked my post and have BT35X-1 to Iain McLaren via an A/S report 6-4-1972 p.41.
The report reads , Scottish hillclimb Championship 25-3-1972.
I quote '' Biggest and most exciting changes were in the single seater classes, with Gray and Agnes Mickel fielding a spotless and brand new white Brabham BT35 with a Mike Hawley engine to challenge last years champion Iain McLaren , now wielding the ex. Nick Williamson BT35X in it's former owners colours.''

So did McLaren have another one a bit later for the 1973 season.????? Question to me.

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I don't have any problem with McLaren having two cars - BT35X/1 in 1972 and BT36/10 in 1973 (which is what my records say)

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To anybody following this thread , I just loved the F1R REASON why a certain driver did not appear in his BT35 BDA at the Nurburgring round of the F2 C/ship 29-4-1973.
Entrant R. James .. Drv. Roy James , DNS. driver in prison.

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