Brabham BT38 - 10-Tenths Motorsport Forum

Bryan Miller · 18 Nov 2003, 23:46

Confusing advert. A/S 11-5-1978 , BT30 and BT38 , brand new rolling chassis for sale , I think the adv. refers to only the BT38 as brand new.

Bryan.

Andrew Fellowes · 23 Nov 2003, 22:16

I came across the following puzzle;
“1980 Robert Willis St L Brabham BT36, MidAm Formula Atlantic Champion. “

Ref. http://www.midiv.org/PDF/MidamChamps.pdf
-page 6

I have posted a request for info on an associated MidAm forum, plenty of hits but no reply.

Any suggestions as to which car this might be?

Andrew Fellowes · 26 Nov 2003, 02:36

The MidAm 1980 trail has proved incorrect it was in fact a BT38. Many thanks to the MidAm guys for digging into their records for me.

I am unable to find any evidence of a BT36 in the states.
so did Fred Opert pass his "ex Rondel BT36" on to Japan?

Bryan Miller · 17 Jan 2004, 02:55

At Trois Rivieres, 1977, Cliff Dawson BT38 Hart BDA.

Bryan.

Chris Townsend · 18 Jan 2004, 11:03

Dawson's BT38 is number 13
Dawson owned it for years, ran in Can Am with it.
Car was for sale on racecars in last couple of years.

Chris

Chris Townsend · 20 Jan 2004, 12:59

Further to Bryan's brief note about Brabhams at Trois Rivieres in 77 here is the list I have of BT 38s in Canadian and SCCA races 1972 - 76. This is very incomplete for SCCA and 72-74 in Canada

1972

Eligio Siconolfi BT38
Barry Fox BT38B

1973

Bill O'Conner BT38 ex Rondel
John Powell BT38 ex Rondel big accident
Tom Klausler BT38 ex Rondel

South East Asia 1973
also uses BT38 'ex Jaussaud' [Opert] this car also raced by de Adamich for Opert at Caracas, Venezuala

1974
Canada
Michael Bystrom BT38 retained 1975

SCCA
Chuck Dietrich BT38C

1975
Canada
Bystrom BT38
Ron Rogers BT38

SCCA
Warren Pauge BT38 -15 probably

1976

Peter Halsmer BT38
Cliff Dawson BT38-13

Anybody able to fit any of those into a pattern or offer connections?!!

Chris

Bryan Miller · 21 Jan 2004, 01:34

Chri.

Thanks for the BT38 and BT40 info. , so far I had managed to ignore these on purpose.
However , a quick scan of F1R gives chassis numbers for BT38 cars , From BT38-1 for G. Hill , missing all untill , BT38-11 , thence through to BT38-28 in Euro F2 for 1973.

I will happily take a correction, did I not read somewhere in period that the first 10 chassis numbers were allocated to BT38C F3 cars , if this is correct, can you just imagine G. Hill screwing up the system and getting his car numbered -1, as he didn't take delivery untill a fair bit after other cars , Dave Morgan had BT38-20 at Oulton Park in March 1972 , and Graham didn't get BT38-1 til Pau in May.

Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 21 Jan 2004, 01:41

Would you believe Euro F2 for 1972.

Chris Townsend · 21 Jan 2004, 16:19

Bryan

According to MN the Hill car didn't have a plate, although it was known as chassis 1.
The reason it got to be 1 was that it was taken from the 38C series and converted to F2 spec.

Chris

Bryan Miller · 22 Jan 2004, 09:05

Chris.
Thank you , I wonder if every BT38 in the world without a chassis plate now instantly becomes ex Graham Hill.??

David McKinney · 22 Jan 2004, 11:15

Re BT38s, my recollection is that the first ten numbers were spaceframe cars and from 11 on were monocoques. Which may be the same thing as the F2/F3 mix mentioned earlier. And clearly the G Hill car would have been the exception.
Are we referring to all F3 BT38s as BT38Cs now? Or is that something else I've missed along the way

cirrus · 22 Jan 2004, 19:45

Quote:

Originally posted by David McKinney
Re BT38s, my recollection is that the first ten numbers were spaceframe cars and from 11 on were monocoques.

According to my records, the BT38 was an F2 (16 built), the 38B was an FB car (5 built), and the 38C was the F3 (14 built). They were all monocoques.

Bryan Miller · 23 Jan 2004, 00:01

The factory sheets advise ,

BT38 , F2 , 1972 , 16 off, 21 gallon fuel tanks , 3600.00 pds.
BT38B , FB, 1972, 5 off, 16 gallon fuel tanks, 3400.00 pds.

BT38C, F3 , 14 off , 11 gallon fuel tanks , 2800.00 pds.

All listed as mono's , spaceframe section rear of tub ,i.e. eng. bay.
Mike Lawrence's book , quotes same production figures.

Bryan.

Chris Townsend · 17 Feb 2004, 10:18

Some more digging in Canadian race results for 1973 gives us the following update

At Westwood, 27th May 1973

BT38
John Powell [ex Rondel]

At Sanair R3 we have the appearance of Hugh Cree in an unspecified Brabham, Peter Overing in a BT38 [not the Powell car]

Chris

allenbrown · 7 Nov 2004, 20:22

I've been working through this thread identifying Sprint BT38s.

The ones I can't identify are:

Brabham-Cosworth BDE BT38 (1.8) - Paul Edwards 1977/78
Brabham-Ford BT38 (1.6) - John Hart

Thanks

Allen