Brabham BT28 - Page 11 - 10-Tenths Motorsport Forum

allenbrown · 20 May 2006, 08:41

Sometimes, yes, but most of the time the Autosport journalists appear to do their best to tell you what it really is.

**John Turner** · 22 May 2006, 14:53

BT28-42 of Chris Ball (which, as I have been advised, is entered in historic races as a BT29 - see also BT29 thread) in the pit garage at Silverstone on 21 May 2006:-

Andrew Fellowes · 23 Oct 2006, 03:16

After posting on the BT35 thread I noticed the same Prescott results sheet for April 1980 has P. Kidsley and P. Squires out with their Brabham BT28 Cosworth 1100cc, no. 128 and 128a, Kidsley taking 2nd in class 0.04 behind R Ward's Chevron B9/15. (ref. Denis Lupton)

Is this #12 or #17?

Ted Walker · 23 Oct 2006, 07:11

Its 17 Andrew. I think its now owned by Tommy Reid in Ireland.

**John Turner** · 23 Oct 2006, 09:08

BT28 - 32 (Engine no. 2733 60 15A) seen for sale at Silverstone, 21 October:-

allenbrown · 3 Nov 2006, 07:55

Thanks very much Wayne!

Anuauto · 3 Nov 2006, 22:16

Re: the car raced in Guyana in 1972 by Jimmy Fuller.
This thread seems to believe it was BT28-8 (converted to BT35 spec) and in Tom Belso's actual ownership at the time? I am in Antigua next month and may be asked to bring back to UK (for conversion to Video/DVD) some amateur film taken of this car racing in Guyana. I saw the film two years ago and there are some close ups shot in the paddock (but not close enough to see the chassis number!). I have a contact there who could pass questions to Jimmy Fuller or possibly put me in touch with him but I am not sure what exactly needs to be asked to get any more clarification. Maybe all I can get is confirmation that it was hired from Belso, went out on the BOAC flight with other cars and went back to UK afterwards? Any suggestions (I am mainly into saloon cars and am not a single seater chassis expert)? (and should I also ask about the BT38(C?) driven by Fuller in UK F3 in 1973?)

allenbrown · 4 Nov 2006, 10:20

Don't we have two other Brabhams that went to that area at one point? Maybe you could ask about them too. Can anyone remind me which ones they were?

Allen

Andrew Fellowes · 4 Nov 2006, 21:16

BT30-12 was one, 1974 Chris Sherret, then I have a gap 'till Bobby Howlings in '86 (source not recorded) and then Mike Freeman. Sorry, bit wafty!

Andrew

Andrew Fellowes · 21 Nov 2006, 00:40

Cars that went to the Caribbean,
BT21, BT28, BT30, BT35.

Anuauto if you have time & can sort the Schenken-Belso story that would be great. I envy your holiday,

Could this be possible, from ZHAUST forum,
BT28-23
1971 for sale by Keith Wright
bought by Andrew Cheeks, tc installed & sent to Trinidad. Sold to Ralph 'Bizzy' Williams, 1975 Bizzy sold to Jamaica

Andrew

Andrew Fellowes · 22 Nov 2006, 04:42

My very sincere thanks to the Mike (and Martin) Atwell,

In 1972, Andrew Cheekes from Trinidad bought the ex Tim Schenken BT28 from Howlings in the UK and brought it to Trinidad, (it was fitted with a
Vegantune 1600cc twin cam) then Cheekes brought it to Guyana for the
International meeting in November where he raced against the BT35 of Jim
Fuller who was from Antigua and Dave Brodie former British Saloon car
champion in a Chevron B8 with a BMW 2000 engine. This BT28 was eventually
bought by Bizzy Williams who modified it in terms of wings and wheels and I
converted the gearbox to a 5 speed. Bizzy set the track record in Barbados
after the mods and then sold it to Donny Lawson in Jamaica. I also drove
this car in one race in Jamaica.

Andrew Fellowes · 23 Nov 2006, 03:40

....and when Bizzy sold BT28-23 he was paid in Jamaican dollars, at time of tight restrictions it wasn't possible to change them into Barbados dollars so his wife came up with a plan to buy fuel for a friend with an aeroplane.
The friend got busted.
So then Bizzy ended up using the dollars to wallpaper his bar.

By the way, Bizzy still holds the Bushy Park lap record with this car!

allenbrown · 1 Jan 2007, 14:04

Quote:

1969
BT28-1 ex BT21X
1969 Tim Schenken

BT28-2 (see #20)
1969 Mike Beuttler (used by Cole at CP 13/9/69)

BT28-3
1969 Jean-Pieere Cassegrain

BT28-4
Ulf/Svensson/Conny Anderson
Note. Ulf buys additional car

BT28-5
Keith Jupp

BT28-6
Keith Jupp

I noticed that Autosport 16 May 1969 p5 says that "Five BT28s have so far been delivered to Schenken, Beuttler, Cassegrain, Svensson and Jupp". Is this how we arrived at the chassis numbers for the above cars? I notice we have both BT28-5 and BT28-6 down to Jupp. Did he have two cars or could something be out of step?

Allen

Chris Townsend · 1 Jan 2007, 16:13

Allen

We arrived at them in the following ways
1: Schenken's car first to appear by about a month, described by AS as 'the first one built' and there must be an F1R observation out there somewhere

2: Second car to appear. Observed as 28-2 three times by F1R in 1969 in Beuttler's hands. The observation of 28-2 for Cole probably a misprint of 28-20 as that is described in press as a new car on that occasion

3: I think this is filling in on my part

4: Chassis number given by MN

5: Chassis number given by Wayne Mitchell

6: Not Jupp. According to Ted and the late Roger Hurst this car delivered for Andy Sutcliffe and terminated in a cartwheel at Paddock to be replaced by chassis 21. Bits incorporated into Lenham GT. By my reckoning this car had to be delivered late May early June 69, in which case Sutcliffe's crash must be in testing, as he seems only to appear in races with the ex Hickman BT21 until August BH, when he's out at Brands in what is described as a new car by MN. [So presume chassis 21 as that would be bang on for production date]. He still hadn't quite worked Paddock out as he proceeded to do a job on this chassis there as well. Poor old Roger eventually straightened that one out for John Gillmeister.

Chris

allenbrown · 1 Jan 2007, 16:20

In that case, the Autosport story reinforces the identity of BT28-3 as Cassegrain's car.

By the way, Happy New Year!

Allen