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Old 26 Mar 2006, 00:08   #46
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I am going to visit the BSP track tomorrow so is there any specific requests for photos of a certain part of the track from anyone here?
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Old 13 Apr 2006, 22:54   #47
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Now I am going to start off with a lap of the Birmingham Superprix as it is now and I will add some photos to compare what it was like back from 1986-1990. So hopefully it will give you a good idea what the track is really like and why I like about it!



Bristol Street: The main straight




The cramped pitlane








Exit of Bristol Street into the first turn




Approaching and exiting the chicane








Peter Barwell Hill










Halfords Hairpin






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Ferodo Corner








Sherlock Street







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Pershore Street






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Bromsgrove Street





The final turn






Approaching the start/finish line






The finish! Now you know what a lap of the Birmingham Superprix is like!

I have added in photos of to compare the differences between the Birmingham Superprix from 1986-1990 and present day. Enjoy!
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Old 17 Apr 2006, 17:39   #48
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Does Anyone recall Martin Hone?

Several years prior to the actual races a guy called MARTIN HONE, an ex-racer and operator of Birmingham's OPPOSITE LOCK CLUB came up with the idea of Racing Cars on the streets of Brum. He asked me if I would bring my Swish Anglia to represent the Saloon cars. I remember we started in Victoria Square, down New Street, into Corporation Street left into Bull Street and left into Colmore Row and back to Victoria Square. Thousands lined the streets, the sound was raucous, and exciting. This would be in 1973 or 74. We had all manner of racing cars, I remember Derek Bell, and Stirling Moss were there. I remember it vividly as I did the Commentary for BBC Radio BIRMINGHAM (now Radio WM) along with Steve Roper) My mechanic Dave Neal took the car round the "circuit". But Martin didn't stop there he pestered the City Council for a Birmingham Grand Prix, they said NO. He planned it all out for them, had meeting after meeting with various committee's, they said NO! He came back with plans and ideas and contacts...and backers...they said NO. Then, the next thing that Martin heard was that a Race was to take place. Martin wasn't in the equasion. I never hear anyone even mention the guys name now. Very sad indeed. He started the ball rolling, it really was his idea, his creation. He eventually left the City and went to the country. He deserved so much more from the sport he loved and the City he put on the Motor Racing map. Just thought that it was worth mentioning. I was there and I know what happened. Martin really was the Father of the Birmingham Grand Prix's. Gerry.
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Old 17 Apr 2006, 21:06   #49
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Thank you for the informative post, I never knew that there was an other demostration run of racing cars before 1976 (the last time I know is that Patrick Neve in his Brabham BT45 drove a few laps around the streets near the New Street station but I never managed to find out what is the exact layout that never drove around)

It was Andrew Marriott of CSS (a motorsport marketing company) that got the rights to promote and being involved of setting up the BSP. According to a MotorSport article back in 2002. Martin Hone did a presentation to the council to convince them for the last time to allow him to set up the BSP after he got the Birmingham Road Race Bill from the Parliament and then Marriott walked in and got the deal from the Birmingham City Council after 10 minutes of his presentation!

I remember in the various news snippets I have seen from Central News, I have seen John Nicol (clerk of course) being interviewed, Mike Lawrence from MotorSport and Stirling Moss was the same. There is nothing at all from Martin Hone himself.

MotorSport summed up how Martin Hone felt:

"The man you have to feel most sorry for is Hone, whose baby was snatched away from him at birth."

Where is this Opposite Lock club? Is it based at Gas Street and is it still there?
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Old 20 Apr 2006, 17:31   #50
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I'd like to add my name to this list of folk with extremely fond memories of the Birmingham races. I competed in a Thundersports Tiga with Tony Dron in the first year (when we got rained off; bitterly disppointed). Second year, raced a B Class 911 came second to Robinson.
Street races are definitely my favourite form of road racing; requires brave precision and no mistakes to win races
I ended up working in the Monaco House showrooms a few years later (Evans Halshaw Ferrari).
Wonderful memories. Did we not have a similar thread a year or two ago?
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Old 21 Apr 2006, 09:43   #51
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Gerry is right to say that really the whole thing was the inspiration of Martin Hone. Martin had been punting this idea around for a few years before Gerry's car was involved in the demonstration run in Brum - I remember it featuring quite prominently in MN and Autosport in around 1971. It really is a shame that all his hard work lead to no personal involvement in what eventually transpired.

I gather that in more recent times Martin has been involved in organising rallies in Britain on behalf of the Jewish charity JNF, which is concerned with environmental projects in Israel.
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I agree with what's been said so far, it was an excellent event, and one hell of a spectacle.
Just picking up on a few of the points raised so far...
I remember the original Martin Hone idea being publicised, I don't remember when this was, but to help date it, Midlands TV News used Stirling Moss driving around the proposed circuit in a Triumph Stag! (And it did the whole lap without head gasket failure!)

I also remember the 1988/89 events as the Touring Car teams paddock was the Wholesale fruit & vegetable market (the smell was unbelievable in the hot weather!). We had to transport all of our equipment from there around the circuit to the Bristol Street Motors 'pit road' for the practice sessions and the race. Travelling back after the first practice, an impromptu water pistol fight was started between the teams (and we were the only team with pistols!). By the second practice, all other teams came armed with buckets etc, and one team had even filled a pressurised fire extinguisher with water. The BTCC was still fun in those days.

One final memory was seeing the Eggenberger team race preparing their car at the side of the road, as they couldn't get back to the 'paddock' in time before the interior roads were closed again.

Happy days...
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Nice pictures, bigears, but I attended all of the Superprixs and I don't remember any of the cars in your pics, but it looked like quite a good race!
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Big Ears - are you planning a book, or something. If not, why not? You certainly have a great deal of information from your own research and this post - and I bet you could get more if you applied to, say, the teams involved at the time (or members thereof).

I don't know if anything was ever published about the BSP at the time, but if not then it would certainly find a niche. And, if you really want buyers then get in touch with the BRSCC and get the officials list for each year (if they still retain them after all this time) - otherwise, just post a new thread on here under the marshals forum and we will all tell you which years we did!
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Bromsgrove Street has changed out of all proportion. They've knock down the derelict shops and offices that used to line the nearside of this road and the right-angled corner before it. There was an extremely sleazy looking Balti restaurant on the corner itself. (Overlooked by the multi story opposite and the paddock 2 viewing spot).
In previous posts, someone correctly identified this as the corner that one of the UK hopefuls of the time, half spun and caused a huge F2 hot racecar traffic jam, all at a complete stand still, revving their nuts off, 'cos they we in a race!
This clever individual realized that he could get a restart if he feigned a 'big problem' with his car and remained stationary with his head down blocking the road. Red flag was then thrown, but the organizers were aware of his ruse - so they got some big crane truck to hoist the offending car, less driver by this time, and hoist it high above the track out the way. And then left it there dangling until the restarted race was about to get underway.
Somebody will be able to fill in all the gaps but it was all quite special.
The noise of the F2s reverberating around the streets was something else.
The wet streets was awesome; you had to be really brave.
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The other thing to remember was that the whole circuit was lined with high armco, and a lot of net wire fencing to catch debris. I was quite taken by the fact that both the wing mirrors on the 911 were grazed after second qualifying. Close stuff.
A Birmingham jeweller (a large man) wrote his v quick white 911 Turbo off on the corner after the start and finish late in the Porsche event. Huge shunt, very public.
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Russell Spence. That was the name of the F2 guy who blocked the circuit in the hope of a re-run.
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Credits to Stuart Knibbs (and yes, I got permission to upload his photos!)

Shelagh, I have been planning to set up a website in tribute of the Birmingham Superprix but I am a bit concerned about my limited knowledge of making websites.

There was a book released in 1992 by Maureen Alcott and Geoff (the last name escapes me) and the book was titled "The Chequered History of the Birmingham Superprix."

I have been looking for a copy of the book to buy but you still can make a loan of the book from the Birmingham Central Library.

It is nice to know a lot of people are still interested to know about the BSP so that encourages me even further to get the time and resources to set up a website.

Lately, I have been emailing various people such as Allan McNish, John Cleland, Graham Goode (via his company) and some other non-British ex F3000 drivers.

I would still love to contact the British drivers but seems they have disappeared (e.g Gary Evans, Phil Andrews, Ross Hockenhull) but I will to contact the BRDC and BRSCC.

I might try to contact Andrew Marriott of CSS Promotions as it was his company that set up the BSP and did a lot of promotion work.
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gfm, you are nearly right, but the best bit of your story, and what can clearly be seen in the later photos is that Russell Spence's car was was hoisted above everyone with him still securely strapped in! What a prat, but full marks for trying!! I marsahlld at 3 BSP's, with loads of good memories. Paul Stewart in his FF1600 crabbing all the way up Belgrade Middleway having deranged his rear suspension on the unforgiving Armco, spending a whole weekend standing in the middle of a dual carriageway (how weird was that?) and voting the caff in the fruit and veg market probably the best breakfast ever!!
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I too attended all races from 1986-1990.

Very great memories of this event.

In 1986 as it was the 1st year and not knowing what the parking was like in the city centre decided with my father to drive to a railway station about half hour from the centre and catch the train in! Shame the so called Hurricane struck.

I also remember being able to sit in the beer garden of a pub opposite the 1st corner at the end of Bristol St and sample the very cheap lager whilst watching qualifying.

Another memory is of viewing at the first corner during the final minutes of qualifying in 89 and seeing Martin Donnelly career headlong into a stationary spun car litterally 6ft infront of me.

The Noise was fantastic and the whole spectacle was brilliant, miss the event very much!!
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