Chevron B48

[Dan Rear]

Jeremy

The car Devaney had at Donington F2 a few weeks before that Phoenix race was a wide-nosed B48, ie like the B42. I think Rothengatter's Docking car had that nose too.

On this point the Gordon book says 8 B48s were made. I reckon 2 were works/Rahal, one each to, Trivellato for Stohr, Docking for Huub, Jochen Dauer (KWS ?), another works one for Gaillard, what about the other 2 ? Any ideas, perhaps the B49 was classed as a B48 in their records, even so that still leaves one. Far East maybe ??

Dan

[Jeremy Jackson]

According to the F1R,

01: Works-Rahal
02: ?? Listed in F1Rs index, but unless I'm going crazy, isn't listed in any race. So asssumed to be Dauer's??)
03: Rothengatter
04: Stohr
05: Listed as Rahal T-car at Thruxton, nothing more
06: RAM for de Dryver (possibly)
07: Listed as Rothengatter T-car at Thruxton, nothing more
08: Works (Gaillard, Devaney)

There was one raced in Japan by Team Phoenix for Fujita (05 or 07?). Dauer has a lot of DNAs up to Pau then disappears from the entries. Did he actually have a B48?

[Dan Rear]

Jeremy

I agree with much of B48 listings, pretty sure Dauer definitely had one, didn't he finish quite well in it at one of the early season German rounds, thats in the top 10 I mean, not any higher !

I'd forgotten about the RAM/de Dryver car, but it does ring bells. Was he entered for one of the F2 races in 79, he did Aurora with RAM that year of course. I must admit when I saw the entry (in a Belgian F2 round??) I suspected it may have been the B42 they had for Regout that year updated, rather than a brand new B48.

The Japanese car may well have existed, it would make the nos add up, since I'm pretty sure Rahal did have 2. I think this 'cos 2 of the 3 that came to Britain in 80 were listed as ex-Rahal, that is the Booth and Baker cars. I think Robinson had '08' which he used from late-79 , the ex-Gaillard/Devaney one that EJ used at Phoenix Park. I suspect we may never the whole truth, I guess the Bolton records were not that important at the time.

Btw where can I get the F1R records, are they on the web anywhere ?

Dan

[Jeremy Jackson]

Robinson definitely had 08, Baker had 05, Booth had 01. I'd forgotten about Baker's car. I guess that wasn't the Japanese car then.

OK, fair enough - Dauer started with a B48 (un-numbered (by F1R) at the Nurburgring in April - crashed after 2 laps.

[Dan Rear]

Jeremy

The race I had in mind for Dauer was at the Ring in 80, when he finished 5th in the B48. Pretty good effort that, though I guess the Ring was always good at throwing up big shocks. I also noted, from the same source, that Robinson also finished 5th at the 81 Silverstone F2 season opener in, it says, the B42, though I wonder if it was his B48. Were you at that race, I wasn't but I recall it was very wet, Thackwell won in the Ralt Honda, there were a few other 'odd' placings that day. I think he (Robinson) converted one of his cars into an Esprit GT car, any memories of this??

Dan

[Jeremy Jackson]

I saw Robinson's Esprit (based on the B48) loads of times, tried to get to as many of those Transnational GTs races as I could. Can't remember when he converted it, i saw it first in 1983. He was in the B42 at Silverstone 1981, the chassis he used for most of the 1979 Aurora series.

F1R has Dauer in (possibly) B48 06 at the 1980 Eifelrennen.

[Bryan Miller]

All.

The Huub Rothengatter car B48-79-07 , with it's Alan Docking modified bodywork was used by Australian Andrew Miedecke at Macau , and had a pretty good accident in Andrews hands.
Car returned to Aust. damaged and bodywork discarded , the rest of the car inclunding Hewland FG are still in this form residing in the Southern Highlands of N.S.W.
Neeeds a new tub, otherwise everything is still there less BDA.

Bryan Miller.

[David McKinney]

07 was the car used by Rothengatter in the (January) 1980 NZ Formula Pacific series

[David McKinney]

Have also just noticed that Steve Jewell was racing a B48/07 in UK late 1980s/early 1990s. He also had 08, but I have a clear mental picture of the two cars parked side by side in the Thruxton paddock
Make of that what you will!

[Chris Townsend]

Chevron B48s

Broadly agree with what's been said about who had what so far, but the description of the Jordan car as a 'B49' might be sort of accurate. F1R is often inaccurate on F2 chassis numbers [witness the Briggs Chevron B42s in 1978].

Jordan's was the car raced by Devaney at the Donington F2 round. It had earlier been raced by Gaillard in Euro F2. It was built as a development car in late 78 as an updated B42. Patrese races it in Macau '78, then it goes to Japan where Rosberg uses it in Japan GP [March 79, entered by Le Mans co]. Then it comes back to Europe.

Brian Robinson owns B48-08 in 1980 and 81, but I'm wondering if that was, indeed, this car, or if it was another B48 that didn't sell.

Chris

[Dan Rear]

Chris

Thats very interesting re 4 B49s, I've mentioned on here before that I'd always thought Jeffrey's was the only one. How did the Opert/Tolama cars go in the US, and were they in the main series there ? There's certainly no mention of them in the 79 Autocourse Top 10 results.

I'm pretty certain Robinsons car was -08, he debuted it at Silverstone in Oct 79 Aurora, and it definitely looked like the one I'd seen at Donington with Devaney, and that EJ had at Phoenix.

Should we assi=ume that Huub did have 2 cars in 79, 03 & 07.

David, re the Jewell cars, were they both definitely B48s, or possibly B47s updated somehow. Brian Turner in Monoposto in about 85 had B47-08, I wonder whether there has been some number transposition here, as Bryan has B48-07 in Oz still. Also, we ssem to think Robinsons 08 was converted into a GT Esprit, I accept it could well have been converetd back.

Very very interesting !!!!

[Dan Rear]

Chris

So as regards B48s, we're fairly sure that the works had 3, for Rahal 2 and Gaillard/Devaney (EJ)1 , though I think Gaillard had the 'Rahal/Ampex' car at Donington, when Devaney was in the one he (Gaillard) had used before( Not surprisingly these 3, 01-05-08, were the ones that ended up in Aurora the next year).Docking/Huub had 2, Stohr 1 and Dauer 1. That just leaves 1 car (06?) unaccounted for.

[Jeremy Jackson]

The B48 under Robinson's Esprit in 1983 was 08, the chassis plate was still there. That car was used by Bob Nelson in 1984. Also in 1983-84, Paul Rhodes had a B48-based Esprit, whcih I noted as 01.

In Aug. 1984 Rhodes drove a white B48 in a Mallory libre race, didn't see the chassis no., but "said" to be ex-Rothengatter.

In 1985-6, Rhodes raced a B48, but this was either Robinson's car, or his 1984 car with Robinson's yellow bodywork.


Then there was this dark blue B49, driven by Peter Oxley at Mallory in July 1984...

[Dan Rear]

Chris/Jeremy

Blimey where to start !

The Rhodes B48-01 makes sense, we know its the ex-Booth car, I guess he used it both as an F2 and GT. I remember that Libre race, have the programme at home. I can't believe he would have had 2 of them so surely it was 01 in both guises. Unless... he had 3 chassis, 01 which you've noted as definite, the ex-Huub car by rumour, AND Robinsons 08. Would anyone be that daft to get 3 of the things.

The Oxley B49, I also saw at Mallory (we must have been following each other round the Paddock Jeremy, very weird !), I assumed it was a modified F3 B47, but perhaps it was the Hope Scott B49, I may have a picture of it, I'll look tonight.

[David McKinney]

B48s
I have Paul Rhodes in 08 in 1985 - was this too early for the car to have been converted back from its Esprit configuration?
Or did Robinson have two 08s?

[Jeremy Jackson]

David,

The Robinson/Nelson Esprit didn't apear in GT races in 1985 to my knowledge. The last time I saw it was August 1984, and I saw Rhodes' yellow B48 in April '85. Comparing my photos of Rhodes' car with Robinson's in the Aurora series, it looks like the same one

[Dan Rear]

Did some research into some of these items last week, from old programmes, where I've noted chassis nos. Might help a little, but not a vast amount.

At the Donington F2 race in 79, B48s as follows: no 1 is works/DNS, 3 Huub, 5 works/Gaillard, 8 works/Devaney.

[Dan Rear]

Dave

Are you sure of this, I thought we'd reached some agreement that the car EJ had at Phoenix in 79 was the ex-works B48-08, the one Gaillard used in Euro F2 that year, then Devaney at Donington. It was a yellow car, and did have the 'B42-like' wide Chevron nose.

[Smellybeard]

I'm fairly sure it was a B49. I was at the race and it did look different to the B48. I'll check with the last Irish owner of the car that I think it was.

Also, B42-78-02. This car was widely regarded as ex Opert/Rosberg here. It is fitted with later (B48?) rear suspension. Patsy McGarrity told me this. Perhaps it was sold on to Opert as a spare. Any Ideas?

Dave.

[Dan Rear]

At Donington on Sunday, I had a good chat with Steve Worrad of Maverick Motorsport. He was running Alain de Wagter (?) in the Derek Bell in a B48. Steve says its the ex-Huub car, no 7, and he also has the other one no 3.

I mentioned this thread, he said he'd be interested in looking at it, esp re B48s, and B42s, the latter being a model he's actively looking for one of.

Says he'd heard there were 8 B48s made, which confirms what we think. He's aware apparently of the ex-Stohr car, and also says the de Wagter, a Belgian, is in touch with and a mate of both Regout and de Dryver. I said that we were unsure whether the RAM car entered for De D in mid-79, (but not raced I think)was the usual Regout/Aurora B42 updated, or was a 'real' B48. If the latter, then our list of 8 is complete, but if so where did it go I wonder. Maybe Steve can help out here too !

All in all a very interesting chat, as ever not enough time to go into properly.

[Patrese256]

Originally posted by Dan Rear
There's also a picture of Patrese in a 'B48' at the early season Japan race, it looks quite a bit different too the other B48s pictured pre-season. Was this the oen later numbered -08, that we think was based on a modified B42 tub ?

Is this the photo you mean?


5th Nov 1978 JAF GP Suzuka - Chevron B48 Hart

[Bryan Miller]

B48-79-07 is as I reported earlier in this thread in Australia and has been since Andrew Miedecke stuffed it at Macau, and it has the plate on the car.

Bryan.

[Dan Rear]

Bryan, thats interesting, I'd forgotten this when I was chatting to Steve W. Maybe he has -3, the other ex Huub car, and his other one is a further car still ...

He was adamant it was ex Huub, saying he has some original bodywork from it, showing sponsorship from Binair Computers, which is correct. He also says he has a wide nose, ie like a B42/40/35/29 etc, for it, which Huub definitely used at ceratin races in 79, the Phoenix Park Irish Atlantic for one.

So I wonder which is his other B48, perhaps -8, the ex works/Robinson car, that pictured above I think with Patrese at the JAF GP.

I tried e-mailing Steve W, message returned to me.

[Bryan Miller]

Dan.

The car here ran with Alan Docking modified bodywork, I am unsure whether this was done and run as modified in the U.K. or if the modifications to bodywork were only on the car over in this neck of the woods, but carried out in the U.K.

Bryan.

[Jeremy Jackson]

Booth had the ex-works/Rahal B48 (01) didn't he? Then moved on to the ex-Purley/Evans Shadow DN9B.

One of the ICI B42s went to Ireland, can't remember off-hand on the other.