No Overtaking!

[Marbot]

According to Autosport the new rules for 2007 will further hamper overtaking.But they may also bring the performance of the cars closer together than ever before.So what do you think and why?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/55560

[chillibowl]

if the racing gets closer and as Bridgestone have now warned that the preassure will be on teams to make the tires work for them rather than Bridgestone making tires to suit a specific chasis, the focus will be back on the aero guys to put forward a car that can get the most out of their tires.

so they spend less on engines and more on aero and ultimatly we are still holding our breath for more overtaking. sounds cost effective to me.

[zac510]

Bringing the cars closer together relative to lap speed will always make overtaking harder!

[jnr blue 91]

so welcome mr adrian newey!!!

[Bononi]

They'll race closer but the overtaking will be harder... I already saw that somewhere else...

[Pingguest]

I agree with the Autosport article. If you really want to see more overtaking, you should allow drivers to have different speeds. And it's what we saw in the 1980's.

[chunterer]

Oh god no!!!!

What's the matter with these flippin FIA people?!! Don't they read or listen to anyone!

We want more overtaking not less!

If anyone wants a half decent template for designing cars that run close together and also promote overtaking look at their new super feeder category GP2, but they won't because it's not technical enough I suspect!

(Rant at end)

[climb]

Just a reflection: let's compare Silverstone races of 2003 and 2004: similar cars, same techical basis, yet two completely different races: the first one of the best ever, the second a boring parade like many others.
is the poor spectacle down to cars, then? Or does drivers' attitude play a key role?

[Marbot]

I must admit to being a little disappointed that there was not a reduction in downforce (I haven't yet seen the technical regs however).But if the cars are closer together and there's a chance that some drivers are on the "option" tyre,then all is not lost.

[luke]

Anyone can be fast in a Formula one car if it is easy to drive. If they are hard to drive like they were before the '90s before all the aids came in then we'd see more overtaking IMHO. I know it was before my time and no doubt someone will pick that out!..but from watching many onboard camers from that era, you had to guide the car into the corner, now all you have to do it seems is simply aim it at the corner, and that car will do it all for you...

Here's how it is...

LESS DOWNFORCE. that way, when you get up close to a car, the downforce off the front of your race car isn't taken away so there is less dirty air and you can stay with a car. Therefore greater chance of overtaking...

LESS DOWNFORCE. Look at the cars from the early '90s downwards, so basic in design ie no chimleys silly tedious flappy side wings and millions of other irrelevant flaps that made you think, am I looking at a carved up tin?
I always have disagreed with the fact that its best to have more downforce and less front line speed.
I think personally there is nothing wrong with nice straight line speed and horse power and torque. It's the cornering speeds that are the problem, so why not ban all the crap on the sides and have F1 cars that are nice and a bit faster on straights, that makes the fact that you have to work harder in the corners, and you see drivers working around things and more varied set ups driving styles, lines and varied ways of taking corners etc.

LESS DOWNFORCE. Look at GP2 cars this year. They went back to slicks, but took away more rear downforce. That way the cars were much more twitchy and harder to drive from the rear.

That's what I think anyway.

[zac510]

ban, ban, ban. that'll fix it!

[Marbot]

Heidfeld expects less overtaking.

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=134888

[Pingguest]

Originally Posted by luke

Anyone can be fast in a Formula one car if it is easy to drive. If they are hard to drive like they were before the '90s before all the aids came in then we'd see more overtaking IMHO. I know it was before my time and no doubt someone will pick that out!..but from watching many onboard camers from that era, you had to guide the car into the corner, now all you have to do it seems is simply aim it at the corner, and that car will do it all for you...

Here's how it is...

LESS DOWNFORCE. that way, when you get up close to a car, the downforce off the front of your race car isn't taken away so there is less dirty air and you can stay with a car. Therefore greater chance of overtaking...

LESS DOWNFORCE. Look at the cars from the early '90s downwards, so basic in design ie no chimleys silly tedious flappy side wings and millions of other irrelevant flaps that made you think, am I looking at a carved up tin?
I always have disagreed with the fact that its best to have more downforce and less front line speed.
I think personally there is nothing wrong with nice straight line speed and horse power and torque. It's the cornering speeds that are the problem, so why not ban all the crap on the sides and have F1 cars that are nice and a bit faster on straights, that makes the fact that you have to work harder in the corners, and you see drivers working around things and more varied set ups driving styles, lines and varied ways of taking corners etc.

LESS DOWNFORCE. Look at GP2 cars this year. They went back to slicks, but took away more rear downforce. That way the cars were much more twitchy and harder to drive from the rear.

That's what I think anyway.

Less downforce isn't a garantee for more overtaking. The F3000 lacked close racing and overtaking as well. But the GP2-cars have significantly more downforce, but they provide close racing and overtaking.

[Kieran20]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

Less downforce isn't a garantee for more overtaking. The F3000 lacked close racing and overtaking as well. But the GP2-cars have significantly more downforce, but they provide close racing and overtaking.

close racing and they are identical cars. i think luke is mostly right, the fins ans chimneys are all pointless, all there extra falps on wings should be banned. reduce downforce yes because the carsd toay just go way too fast round corners. if there is less downforce and a smaller hole in the air then surely cars will be able to follow closer.

[outflat]

Ban tyre changes.

Aside from 2005, there's been no overtaking since 1982.