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Old 7 Dec 2006, 00:54   #1
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Brabham BT 9 (Formula 3 1964)

BT9's have always intrigued me,I have some chassis numbers,maybe some of
the people here can help? Also,some cars built as Formula Junior.
F3-1-64 Donald Fletcher BMC A Type
F3-2-64 Robert Ashcroft (Derek Bannett) 105E
F3-3-64 Mike Knight, Winfield Racing (as F.Junior 105E)!!!!
F3-4-64 Giannini A&D (Mario Pandolfo & Massimo Natili)
F3-5-64 ? Sports Motors Rodney Bloor
F3-6-64 Patrick Dal Bo Holbay 105E
F3-7-64 Asc. Scharther. Bombe, Gerrard Kramer
F3-8-64 ? H.C.Goodwin (John Cardwell)
F3-9-64 ? Jean Blanc
F3-10-64 ? Frank Williams
F3-11-64 ?
F3-12-64 ? These 2 cars for Scuderia Lufthansa, Herman Dorner and
Hans Dieter Dechant
Also known with these cars---
Picko Troberg,Manfred Mohr,Walter Habbegger,Adrian Chambers,and the
Radio Caroline cars.
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Old 7 Dec 2006, 07:36   #2
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The trouble with BT9s is that they have become BT6s(wonder why???? )
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Old 7 Dec 2006, 07:45   #3
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Denis,
Any idea which one of these became the Blackjack Formula Ford 1600?
Alan Minshaw drove this in the UK and would like to get it back.
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Old 7 Dec 2006, 22:40   #4
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Giannini car also run by Starabba in 1964
F1R gives F3.1.64 in 1965 for the Felton Racing car of Mike Gill, but then describes it usefully as a BT15...
F1R gives F3.3.64 for Dal Bo in 1965
Krammer noted still using F3.7.64 as late as 1967
F3.12.64 also given for Ken Sager down under...

Is John Peterson's late 64 BT9 a rebuild of his BT6??

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F3-3-64 , sold new to Michael Knight [ Winfield Racing] 22-2-1964 , Won both heats Japanese G.P 3-5-64 , refer photo Autosport March 13th 1964 p.335 of cars being readied to go to Japan.
Car then used by Knight at Leinster Trophy - Ireland , placed 5th. then Hawthorne Trophy at Snetterton , sold to Arsenio[ Dodgie] Laurel and used at Macau , K.L. etc , with a twin-cam , then to Rodney Seow [ Singapore ] then to Mike Truter [ Singapore ] traded to Brian Wilson , Australia , along with BT23C for an Austin Healey 100/6 circa 1983 , imported to Australia , and sold to Gary Simkin , rebuilt and finished about 1990 , then sold about two years later to N.Z.

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F3-3-64

F3-3-64
From Gary Simkin to Alan Woolfe in NZ, and he loves the car.
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The car that lived in New Zealand for some years is associated with the number F3-12-64. As Chris mentioned above, it is said by Vercoe to be Ken Sager's 'new' car for 1965 but I notice Denis has it on his list of BT6s as F3-12-63, ex-Denis O'Sullivan.

According to Vercoe, a duplicate chassis was built in the late 1960s and this went to Barney Pellow who drove it in the 1970 New Zealand GP. It would have been running as a New Zealand National Formula 1600cc car at that time but became a Formula Ford some time later.

Should I think of this Pellow car as a BT6 or a BT9?

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The car that lived in New Zealand for some years is associated with the number F3-12-64. As Chris mentioned above, it is said by Vercoe to be Ken Sager's 'new' car for 1965 but I notice Denis has it on his list of BT6s as F3-12-63, ex-Denis O'Sullivan.

According to Vercoe, a duplicate chassis was built in the late 1960s and this went to Barney Pellow who drove it in the 1970 New Zealand GP. It would have been running as a New Zealand National Formula 1600cc car at that time but became a Formula Ford some time later.

Should I think of this Pellow car as a BT6 or a BT9?

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Denis is right - the Sager car was a BT6. I think Vercoe (or his source) must have misread the number
I never heard of the Pellow duplication until Vercoe's book came out (1990?). I still have difficulty with it, as the original and the 'clone' never seemed to race at the same time. I wonder if in fact the so-called cloning was simply a replacement frame for the original BT6
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OK, I'll call it BT6 F3-12-63 for now and add a footnote.

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Sorry - I mean FJ-12-63.
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Does anyone know whether any Bt9's went to the USA at any point for FB/C/FF?

Info on this model seems very light.
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I'm not aware of any going to the US but it's possible as they'd have been suitable for Formula C in its early - and poorly reported - seasons.

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Wayne Mitchell has one, he posts here sometimes but don't know whether it was ever used over there, plus I found one in Texas a couple of years ago but unfortunately have nothing on it before the mid 80's and not sure whether the the owner still has it.
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un identify Brabham chassis

Hello,

I'm a brand new french Brabham owner, but unfortunatly, this car comes with no identify plates and numbers !
Is someone could help me to regesterer my car ?

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Can you try posting the photos again, they don't seem to be working.
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