Brabham BT 9 (Formula 3 1964) - Page 3 - 10-Tenths Motorsport Forum

Criquet · 30 May 2007, 20:32

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Originally Posted by phdm

This car was recently offered for sale and presented as a Formula Junior by the owner ...

Yes , but the owner have never drive it and bought it as a rolling chassis without any documents on the car .....

PeterMorley · 31 May 2007, 10:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Criquet

Here is 2 pictures:

* the first one came from a sold BT6 on race-cars.com the steering wheel looks the same of mine ! That car was better rebuilt than a new one ...

* the second is a view of the steering rack which fit the chassis.

Brabham steering wheels are pretty rare, they had curved spokes, as in the photo I posted, lots of cars have had theirs replaced over the years.

The dark blue car sold on race-cars.com has a lot wrong cockpit details - the instrument panel, gearchange, seat, steering wheel....

That isn't a Brabham steering rack - they used a cast rack (made by Jack Knight?) with unusual ball joints at the end of the rack (Renault Dauphine?).
It looks to be something like a modified Mini rack.

Rather than try to prove that it is a Brabham it might be easier to start looking for Brabham copies - Alpines etc like someone said before - and look for similarities to them (one of them had a similar radiator for example).

Such a copy is likely to be more interesting (easily identifiable history) than a heavily modified Brabham.

Peter

Ted Walker · 3 Jun 2007, 08:10

From the Bulkhead shots its NOT a BT6. I would think it very unlikely to be a Brabham of any kind.Its just a 60s Brabham type special.

Criquet · 4 Jun 2007, 20:02

thank to all of you for you help.

piglos · 31 Oct 2007, 21:14

I just happened to be reading up on Greg Cusack's BT6 [FJ-15-63], and the article mentions it being involved in an accident 26/1/64 and the front end being wiped off from the dash forward.
Quote:
"The car was rebuilt using a new BT9 Formula 3 chassis, new suspension and body." (Source: John B Blanden's Historic Racing Cars in Australia)
This rebuild would have occured late January-mid February, so I was wondering if anybody would have a chassis number for this, or would it likely only bear an AM number?

Bryan Miller · 31 Oct 2007, 21:48

The car would not have an AM number as they were not building the chassis at that time, Arch Motors didn't start building the frames until the BT14 series.

piglos · 1 Nov 2007, 06:15

Umm, of course.

Criquet · 12 Nov 2007, 22:19

So if Arch motor doesn't built chassis until bt14 how it's possible to identify mine ?

Someone saids me that rear uprights had special in cast leters.
Is someone of you gots pictures details of originals rear uprights ?

allenbrown · 12 Nov 2007, 23:09

Yes, there would have been a number stamped on the rear if the car had a genuine Brabham frame. Even before Arch Motors, there was still a number - it just didn't start AM.

Simon Hadfield · 12 Nov 2007, 23:16

Actually Allen there should be a number but not necessarily on the rear of the chassis (and without giving too much away a different typeface as well).

Ted Walker · 13 Nov 2007, 08:22

NOT always Simon , depends who made the frame,not many of the Arch replacement frame had Nos,Not all of the Buckler produced frames had them either

Denis Lupton · 4 Dec 2007, 03:25

Some facts have come to light on F3-7-64, entered and driven by
Walter Habegger at the Nurburgring on 27/9/64.
Various entrants and drivers through '64, '65, '66, etc, though
W. Habegger. seems to be a constant.
At present the car is on the high seas,travelling from France to Australia,
to further enrich the local Brabham population.
Any details on the car gladly received,
Denis

mshillingburg · 15 Dec 2007, 15:39

I have aquired a Brabham bt9. F3-8-64 I have history back to the 1970's
The car last ran as a formula ford here in Colorado. Any one with history,
facts, etc. would be greatly appreciated.
Thx
Mark Shillingburg

Chris Townsend · 15 Dec 2007, 23:15

Mark

This car was noted early in 1965 as Goodwin Racing for Dave Rees, run until his BT15 was ready. I presume that it was, therefore, the BT9 run by John Cardwell with Goodwin in 1964. Would appreciate trail of owners that you have so that we can, perhaps, fill in the gaps

Chris

mshillingburg · 19 Dec 2007, 17:30

Chris,
Thx for your info on F3-8-64. The history I have; Jack Idlegeorge bought the
car after a race at Continental Divide Raceways, Castle Rock, Colorado
from a fellow from California (no name or date yet). It was a Formula C with an 1100cc Coventry Climax. Sold then
to Kasahara (sp?) then to Max Ray. The Climax engine was sold and John
Barker converted the car to FF for Max Ray in late 1969. Next owner is
Bob Parham who campaigned the car in FF. Bob Parham stored the car until
my purchase this fall. The missing history is between 1965 Goodwin Racing
and the California gentleman who brought the car to race in Colorado.
Thx,
Mark Shillingburg