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Carousel · 18 Dec 2006, 22:29

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Originally Posted by Hammerdown

You don't think Porsche could beat the R10 if they wanted to?

As the rules read now? No.

chewymonster · 18 Dec 2006, 22:50

You will never get completely fair performance with two different engine types. Last year in the ALMS the GASOLINE powered vehicles were much quicker than the R10 (later part of the year, because of the "performance adjustments [gasoline powered P1s running 143 pounds lighter than the R10]) If Porsche entered and beat the R10, one could say that the rules favored gasoline powered vehicles and vice versa until we all are racing fuel cell powered vehicles.

**Adam43** · 18 Dec 2006, 23:14

We should perhaps steer clear of the rules discussion as it is going on in many other threads.

It is interesting that Dyson have changed classes. I didn't see coming, but perhaps it shouldn't surprise with their history. They have got their hands on a great car. I'm glad they are one of the first to get a customer car.

When will they get it?

chernaudi · 18 Dec 2006, 23:17

Well I did kinda see this one. Where does Dyson have all their ALMS wins, with the exception of 3, they're all in the LMP2( or LMP675 at the time). They feel that the Lola LMP cars are junk right now, and they want to win races, at least in class.

chewymonster · 18 Dec 2006, 23:49

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

We should perhaps steer clear of the rules discussion as it is going on in many other threads.

It is interesting that Dyson have changed classes. I didn't see coming, but perhaps it shouldn't surprise with their history. They have got their hands on a great car. I'm glad they are one of the first to get a customer car.

When will they get it?

One before January 22nd (Sebring Winter test) and the other in February.

jhansen · 19 Dec 2006, 00:02

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Well I did kinda see this one. Where does Dyson have all their ALMS wins, with the exception of 3, they're all in the LMP2( or LMP675 at the time). They feel that the Lola LMP cars are junk right now, and they want to win races, at least in class.

I don't quite get this statement. They used to run the Riley and Scott in the early days of the ALMS. And LMP675 was a secondary route to overall wins, which is different from P2. They have run for overall wins when they had the 962.

Now with that said, I do recall some people thinking that Dyson could run a RS Spyder when the program was announced. Mainly due to their past connection with Porsche.

jhansen · 19 Dec 2006, 00:14

One more thought, I can't wait to see the RS Spyder in Dyson racing white and blue. That should be a looker!

dedalus5150 · 19 Dec 2006, 02:50

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Originally Posted by jhansen

One more thought, I can't wait to see the RS Spyder in Dyson racing white and blue. That should be a looker!

Amen to that! It will look much, much better than that nasty yellow DHL livery...

paul-collins · 19 Dec 2006, 15:02

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Originally Posted by chewymonster

You will never get completely fair performance with two different engine types. Last year in the ALMS the GASOLINE powered vehicles were much quicker than the R10 (later part of the year, because of the "performance adjustments [gasoline powered P1s running 143 pounds lighter than the R10]).

Right, the adjustments. That's what the ACO declined to do, though, where the ALMS felt they had to.

Besides, with the diesels, there's a much more direct tradeoff between economy and power - so they were hardly pushing the power envelope while the gasoline P1s were at their peak power. Witness that they just hung with the lead pack at Laguna, and then went almost an extra 30% distance at the end while the others had to pit.

Impressive use of the technology as allowed. I admire Audi's work, for sure - I just wish that the advantage given to the developing technology wasn't quite as obvious. As Chris said when talking about this switch, Dyson Racing just wants a chance to win or lose on the team's merit - hence the switch to the class where parity of opportunity is a little better defined.

AU N EGL · 19 Dec 2006, 15:46

Now only if P1 cars could run a petrol / gasoline powered 7 liter. Rember the Corvette 427ci UNrestricted, is susupected ( not tested) of 900 BHP.

and Porsches old flat 12 twin( bi) turbo 6 liter? 1100-1200 bhp
Both of those are some serious ponies that would put the Audi diesel to shame.

eddsc · 19 Dec 2006, 16:35

Following up Paul's post - do you remember how Johansson blew by McNish on lap 1/2 at PLM? From memory, the Scot blamed the disparity in weight. But does 65 kg make that much difference?

jhansen · 19 Dec 2006, 16:52

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Originally Posted by eddsc

Following up Paul's post - do you remember how Johansson blew by McNish on lap 1/2 at PLM? From memory, the Scot blamed the disparity in weight. But does 65 kg make that much difference?

Are you suggesting that McNish let him by?

eddsc · 19 Dec 2006, 17:01

No, not at all. But bearing in mind the economy that the R10s displayed one race later, logically they weren't running at anything like full power/torque - which helped make it look as though the weight disparity was really significant.. more so than it really was.. perhaps.

TWK · 19 Dec 2006, 17:02

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Originally Posted by eddsc

Following up Paul's post - do you remember how Johansson blew by McNish on lap 1/2 at PLM? From memory, the Scot blamed the disparity in weight. But does 65 kg make that much difference?

That sly Scot!

The fact is pretty well accepted around the paddock, according to a furry friend of mine, that the current ACO rules simply do not permit a gasoline powered P1 to win, unless as a result of the most extreme set of circumstances. Further, there is enough "flexibility" in the diesel (trade off between power and economy), to easily overcome even the greater P1 weight advantage given gasoline engines by the ALMS. The way in which the Audi was able to win at Laguna Seca may have been the final proof needed. However, a friend of the Bear's was told before the race that the conclusion had already been reached that there was no way to beat the Audis short of a draconian reduction of the diesel's fuel allowance. That has not yet happened, and will not happen during 2007, so...