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19 Jan 2007, 10:26
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I'm trying to imagine you as the first two... 
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19 Jan 2007, 13:36
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being a motorsport photographer is preferable to working down a coal mine whether is raining on a test day or not.
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Absolutely, however working down a coal mine would at least (I hope) earn you a living wage.
I suspect many people here see it as something they enjoy which might earn them a bit of extra beer money, over and above their regular 9-5 job. They happily forget the cost of their time, travel expenses and equipment involved. My point was that all too often I see, both here and on other forums, newcomers thinking there's easy money to be made.
Once you treat it as your your sole income and need to account for every expense, suddenly the maths don't add up as they expected. As Happy snapper says there are very few genuine full time motorsports photographers. Incidentally I was going to add Jeff Bloxham to that list but he's been known to do non-motorsports photography as well.
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19 Jan 2007, 14:53
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from a personal point of view, i know the unstable income and the difficulty in "making it" as a freelance without having immense natural talent or a gift for the gab was the main factor in not investing in appropriate equipment and trying to turn it into a career.
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19 Jan 2007, 19:45
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Exclude F1 and the agencies......the number would not be more than a dozen tops if we are talking about circuit racing...even most of those get a hefty chunk of their income guaranteed through association with Haymarket.
Better chance of becoming a professional driver.............better paid and the girls think you are cooler........... 
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19 Jan 2007, 22:31
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Not that many people have actually been brave enough to quote a price paid in this thread so far. I dont know what most of you guys get, but my most regular work comes from the MG Owners Club, and they pay me a flat rate of £20 per photo published in their magazine (circulation 50,000 approx). If I'm real lucky and there is space, they might print upto 5 pics, but sometimes its only 2. So potentially with 13 rounds of the championship I could earn up to £1300. I might travel from Cambridge to Oulton Park (a 5 hour round trip) and get 2 images printed, which does not even pay for the petrol. But a trip to Snetteron, is only 40 minutes each way, and I might 5 or 6 images printed.
I did two articles and photos about the WSR MGs in the BTCC last year which gave a slight boost to earnings, but that wont happen in 2007.
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24 Jan 2007, 21:17
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I guess I come under the "WorldWide" banner.... 
I'm one of those fortunate enough to earn 100% of my income from this "niche" of motorsports, primarily motorcycle racing. In fact I had to back off the equine work (I still do portraiture - locally when I have time - and a lot of my equine work is used in advertising/stock which is a good sleeper/earner) because there wasn't enough time in the day.....
I'd also like to suggest that doing any of this for free with the intention of getting your foot in the door is not the way to go about it. You'll regret it in the long run and you're not doing the industry any favours either.
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24 Jan 2007, 21:32
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Thats the problem there is no going rate...get what you can without totally destroying the market. A local paper like the Lancashire Evening Telegraph pay £25 per shot...a not bad rate. Autosprout pay £35 I think for a small one, I've never quite been able to figure it out as every invoice I've had from them has been different. I've had £150 for the cover of an A5 automotive parts magazine, £50 for a single shot used as part of a GIF animation on a motor racing travel companies website and anything varying from £15 - £50 from various other outlets. Thats probably been offset by many gratis ones that have gone to circuits and organising clubs for inclusion in programmes etc. (Mallory's invitation to apply for a pass this year expressly states that they have dibs on any images they want...it may have always been so but it stood out this year)
I'm in a similar situation at the moment combining photography with IT consultancy (just over the winter).
Hopefully setting up a studio in the next couple of months. Motorsport will now unfortunately become a bit of an indulgence when spare time permits (probably 2009) unless it pretty much guarantees payment.
I was considering getting into the porn industry but I know I'd spend way to long "reviewing my content" 
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24 Jan 2007, 21:34
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I guess I come under the "WorldWide" banner....
n fact I had to back off the equine work (I still do portraiture - locally when I have time - and a lot of my equine work is used in advertising/stock which is a good sleeper/earner) because there wasn't enough time in the day...
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As I've been seriously thinking of moving back to the USA, using my little girls citizenship as a lever , that means theres a vacancy there then I'm on my way
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24 Jan 2007, 21:55
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As I've been seriously thinking of moving back to the USA, using my little girls citizenship as a lever , that means theres a vacancy there then I'm on my way |
If you're serious about horse work, SoCal/San Diego/Ojai is a good location (I'm in NorCal), then Arizona/Texas, Florida/Ocala then on up to Virginia/Kentucky...
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24 Jan 2007, 22:42
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Its what I'm concentrating on at the moment Tell me more
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25 Jan 2007, 00:32
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I was considering getting into the porn industry
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People always ask me if that's my ambition when I tell them I'm a photographer... 
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25 Jan 2007, 11:59
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so, if mags like autosport only pay 25 quid a photo how do agencies like LAT, xpbb etc make their money?
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25 Jan 2007, 12:12
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I think you can safely assume that Autosprout isnt their only outlet and that they operate in the global marketplace
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25 Jan 2007, 12:16
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Doesn't sound like anybody in here is willing to work for free in order to get their foot in the door?
Do the big magazines offer such opportunities?
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25 Jan 2007, 12:22
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Doesn't sound like anybody in here is willing to work for free in order to get their foot in the door?
Do the big magazines offer such opportunities?
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i think there are plenty of people working for free, but as mike said they dont want to be getting known as people that work for free
in fact i bet people would not only work for free but actually pay money
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