March 772

[Bryan Miller]

My brother has a March 772 ex N.Z. that is giving us a lot of problems sorting out history and Ken Smith can't seem to assist. Can you, if I give you details??

I believe we have started a new thread.

[Armco Bender]

If Ken Smith cant id it for you it must be a hard one then.I'm sure less than a handful of 77's ever came here.A 772 would be unusual because most of them were 77Bs or 773s with the narrow sidepods that were used here.Does your 772 have the wide F2 sidepods?.The Marches weren't overly sucessfull here against the Chevrons and Ralts.It wasn't until Fabi came here with the 78B in 1979 they won some races.

[Chris Townsend]

I have pretty good histories of 772s in period for the first couple of years of their lives and might be able to throw some light.

[Bryan Miller]

My brother will contact soon re. his March which is 772-5, but in N.Z. was always known as 77B; talk about a can of worms.

[Bryan Miller]

David McKINNEY, is it poss. for you to have a look at another thread March 772-05 please, and see if you can make anything out of it.
Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

My brother Kevin owns what turned out to be the ex. Brett Riley 772/77B .

[Neptune]

But didn't Brett run that car in UK. Did he then take it back to NZ after the 77 British Atlantic season?

[allenbrown]

This is one for Steve.

From the on the Missing March Sprint and Hillclimb Cars of the 70s thread.

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

I need help in identifying the following MARCH cars:

g) 1978 to 1979 - Ted Williams - March 772/782 - a succession of cars led to this March, where did it come from?

Originally Posted by David McKinney

g) Ricardo Zunino 1977

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Williams' car 772 -6 if F1R to be believed on Zunino's driving it.

This one's a bit tricky as Williams starts the season in his 752; then his upgraded 752/772; then the 772 and quite possibly a 772/782 before the end of the year - although I haven't found the last part yet.

I've tried to pinpoint where he first drives the 772 and Autosport kindly obliges (22 June 1978 p57) with a "first time out in his F2 March" remark. So that would imply that he had been in the 752/772 at Curborough 4 June, not the 772 as it says on BritishSprint.org.

I can't find any reference to it having 782 mods in 1978 so I'm going to change the specification on ORC to 772-Hart 420R for that season.

Edit: Also flicked through 1979 and Autosport keeps calling his mount a 772. I'm be fairly confident then that the 772P that you have for him at Talbenny 16 Sep 1979 would be that same 772-6.

Allen

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

This is one for Steve.

From the on the Missing March Sprint and Hillclimb Cars of the 70s thread.

This one's a bit tricky as Williams starts the season in his 752; then his upgraded 752/772; then the 772 and quite possibly a 772/782 before the end of the year - although I haven't found the last part yet.

I've tried to pinpoint where he first drives the 772 and Autosport kindly obliges (22 June 1978 p57) with a "first time out in his F2 March" remark. So that would imply that he had been in the 752/772 at Curborough 4 June, not the 772 as it says on BritishSprint.org.

I can't find any reference to it having 782 mods in 1978 so I'm going to change the specification on ORC to 772-Hart 420R for that season.

Edit: Also flicked through 1979 and Autosport keeps calling his mount a 772. I'm be fairly confident then that the 772P that you have for him at Talbenny 16 Sep 1979 would be that same 772-6.

Allen

Allen, I will have to check back on the Curborough event. In the Black Book it says it is the 752 however it is riddled with inaccuracies. I do have Williams in the 752 at the start of the season. Also at which event in 22 June 1978Autosport is the comment about this being his first time out in the 772?

Finally on my version of the database I have Williams in the 772/782 for the 1979 Talbenny event so I have instigated a cross check between my version and the on-line version.

Thanks.

[driftwood]

Why not ask Ted directly? No I do not have a contact for him but he will be in the book, under motorhomes!

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by driftwood

why not ask Ted directly no i do not have a contact for him but he will be in the book under motorhomes!

Your use or is it mis-use of CAPITALS (Sorted - see above! - JT) is quiet tiresome! Reading your posts is a trial in itself.

Are you implying that Ted Williams runs a Motorhome Mechanics business?

[allenbrown]

It was a very minor club event - not a RAC round or a BARC.

[allenbrown]

Steve

Have you ever got anywhere with the Rodney Eyles 772 in 1985? He suddenly appears out of nowhere with a highly competitive car and Autosport says nothing.

Allen

[driftwood]

As I tell her, INDOORS- get over it (Well Steve might, but I won't, so be prepared to get beaten by my editing stick - JT)
Yes, motorhomes; he is in the Bristol area. I had a tel # for him years ago, but that was then, and this is now!

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

It was a very minor club event - not a RAC round or a BARC.

If that is the case then I suspect the reporter may have been inferring that it was the first time at that venue or even the first time he had seen the car!

In the meantime when I have some time to check I will go back to my records and see what I can turn up.

[allenbrown]

Ted Williams' March 772

Originally Posted by allenbrown

I've tried to pinpoint where he first drives the 772 and Autosport kindly obliges (22 June 1978 p57) with a "first time out in his F2 March" remark. So that would imply that he had been in the 752/772 at Curborough 4 June, not the 772 as it says on BritishSprint.org.

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

... I suspect the reporter may have been inferring that it was the first time at that venue or even the first time he had seen the car!

Originally Posted by allenbrown

OK, I'll go look it up again and give you chapter and verse.

It's the Graham Hill Trophy held by the Owen MC at Curborough 18 June 1978. The unnamed reporter refers to Hinley winning in his Lola [T332C] and says "he was given a close run by Ted Williams, out for the first time in his F2 March-Hart". There's no wording anywhere else in the report along the same lines so I'd be confident that he is saying that this is the first time Williams has driven this particular car.

Allen

[driftwood]

1. 772 Hart; I assume 420R motor - early cars I do not think ran with 420R

2. Far easier to ask Ted directly as Steve didn't want Rod Eyles tel. no. etc. I will source Ted's# myself

[driftwood]

Tel # sorted now, Allen; please get a list of questions that I can put to him

[Chris Townsend]

...... just to confuse the thread... one for Steve W. Any information on the 722 run on thie hills by Rob Oldaker and Andy Smith,in the late 70s equipped with an Allegro Turbo engine. I'm surprised they needed the turbo, mildly breathed on the engine should have done the job.

Chris

[allenbrown]

A quick March 772 summary as I've been looking at 1977 and I don't think we've done this before. Lawrence's book says eight were built.

772-1 Pierre Maublanc Swiss & European hillclimbs and F2 1977 [F1R]
772-2 Maublanc for Pierre Bardinon F2 (2 races only) 1977 [F1R]
772-3 Norman Dickson G8 and F2 1977 [MN] - then into Scottish libre racing ...
772-4
772-5 Euroracing/March for Giacomelli & Ribeiro F2 1977 [MN] - Sergio Minotti F2 1978 [F1R] ... this plate now on a ex-Riley 77B
772-6 Euroracing/March for Riccardo Zunino F2 1977 [MN] - Ted Williams ["ex-Zunino"] hills and sprints 1978-79 ...
772-7 Euroracing for Pesenti-Rossi & Ghinzani F2 1977 [F1R]
772-8 Euroracing for Alberto Colombo F2 1977 [MN]
Also:
772-10 Gaudenzia Mantova F2 from May 1977 [F1R] although MN call this a 762 in some results. This number also associated with David Franklin's 1978 hillclimb car but I can't track down why we know that.

The missing 772-4 could be the Euroracing customer car that was written off by Flammini at Vallelunga during the winter. However, that is likely to have been rebuilt so maybe it was Max Mamers' highly successful French hillclimb car.

Another question for Adam: do you records add anything to this?

Allen

[Dan Rear]

Allen, didn't Franklin have a genuine 772 as well as his 782? OTOH I think this would have been -6, Ted W got it after DF. The Dickson car -3, ended up in Sweden from memory.

[allenbrown]

Don't think so Dan. Franklin and Williams both ran their 772s in 1978.

[Adam Ferrington]

Allen,

A bit more from the records......

772-3 - noted as having been sold to James Jack
772-4 Angeliri (Euroracing) - Written off by Mantova at Hockenheim in April 77. Rebuilt at factory around monocoque 772-14. Seen to carry pseudo chassis plate 762-6, presumably for carnet reasons (this explains the F1R references to a 762)
772-6 note confirm sold to Ted Williams
772-9 Markus Hotz - delivered 27 May 1977 - virtually a new car built up from the remains of 762-U1 (no doubt sold as a new car - typical March!)
772-10 David Franklin - Built using several second hand components. Fitted with front radiator and 771B nose - collected 26/1/1978

So Mantova's was -4, Hotz' -9, Franklin's -10

[allenbrown]

Thanks Adam.

Originally Posted by Adam Ferrington

772-9 Markus Hotz - delivered 27 May 1977 - virtually a new car built up from the remains of 762-U1 (no doubt sold as a new car - typical March!)

That's curious. Hotz appears only once in 1977 (according to F1R), at Hockenheim on 1 May in an unidentified 762. He is next seen at Hockenheim 24 Sep 1978 in a Lista Racing March 782. He'd been a regular DNA in Lista entries in 1975 and 1976 as well but I don't see any Lista entries in 1977. So was that 772 for a customer, as Hotz was also March importer at the time? If it was, I can't see who the customer could have been.

He still runs historic European F2 in a Lista March 762 (chassis 8?) so maybe someone could ask him?

Allen

[allenbrown]

Interesting that Christian Fischer now has the "ex-Marc Surer" March 772. Surer drove an old 762 for most of 1977 and then the works 772P at the end of the year. Anyone know which chassis Fischer has?