Chevron B36

[Gilbert]

I think it would be a great idea to have some information on the Chevron B36 which is missing in this database! I know that 21 have been built.

[John Turner]

OK, so let's see if we can develop this a bit on the main forum. If any real data/history is fothcoming, we can put it back into the Chassis Archive.

[driftwood]

most famous result for B36 was class win for the Mogil Motors car at LM in 1979 driven by Robin Smith Tony Charnell Richard Jones

Raly Bellm/Roger Andreason James weaver/eddie arundel ( duke of Norfolk) raced B36 2 litre cars in Thundersports

ROC team in france raced 3 cars over many seasons with Chrysler Simca motors at Le Mans and WSC events
Japan had a few B36 cars racing in Grand Chamiopn long distance races

In usa the B36 raced in the Can Am championship
1 car was Mort Platt Chevron B36 [B36-76-06]
a few cars race din Italain sports car series and mountain races
some B31 cars had b36 bodies fitted to race as later models

1 car raced in IMSA GTP see here for a foto
www. alex62.typepad.com/imsablog/2006/06/index.

The first GTP car to appear at Sebring was the famous Chevron B36 Alfa Romeo driven by Del Taylor.

Now in Historics in usa there are around 5 cars racing
in EEC they are too new for the Orwell WSM events as they are 1977 cars but expect to see some in CER events soon as they have lifted the cut off date to 1980 cars

I believe B36#1 has just been sold from USA to Canada ex italian team car im told

[AMICALEMANS]

And one of the Roc chassi was bodied with a sthemo body to run in Group C at Le Mans. The man who did that was also the one who modified a Lenham Chassis in Le Mans 76 : José Thibault

[driftwood]

do u have a link to a foto?
what was the car called?

[AMICALEMANS]

yes i do my friend :

in 1987
http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-06-14-113.jpg
he ran the race
in 1988, he was not accepted at scruteenering
http://forums.motorlegend.com/vb/sho...ght=CHEVRON+TJ

It is believed that the body was made with some part of the first Sthemo, the chassis was Chevron B36 and the engine was a Roc.

If anyone know where is this car now, it body would be great, even if its with a B36 b

[driftwood]

there is also a car in Italy with alfa engine looking similar
i will get more info tomorrow

[driftwood]

B36 Fortina with lancia LC1 turbo engine

[AMICALEMANS]

Any pics ?

[fausto]

http://www.moreschi.info/auto/fortina_2.jpg
http://www.moreschi.info/auto/fortina_1.jpg

[AMICALEMANS]

thanks for the pics Fausto.
This car is a B36 wit a roof
The car from Le Mans is a rebodied B36 (with a sthemo ? body which was a rebodied TOJ !)

[fausto]

Originally Posted by AMICALEMANS

thanks for the pics Fausto.
This car is a B36 wit a roof
The car from Le Mans is a rebodied B36 (with a sthemo ? body which was a rebodied TOJ !)

I don't think that the Sthemo was exaclty a rebodied Toj, although Toj designer/engineer Mossinger performed the same task for Sthemo.

Another Chevron based C2 car was French built Isolia, and it used a Sthemo bodywork too...
http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-09-01-107.jpg

[AMICALEMANS]

What a great picture! it show that this car IS the Chevron seen at Le Mans in 86 and 87. And José Thibault put a Roc in it (it was easy with a B36 chassis) So he did not made the body, he just puchase the car from ....Jean-Claude Ferrarin (F). Lucien Rossiaud (F) is a well known man in the Rondeau adventure.

i dont remember exactly about Sthemo, but i rea somewhere it was a Toj Chassis (just because Striebieg was racing a toj in some event); i will dig for that...

[AMICALEMANS]

Just look at this one !

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-09-02-085.jpg

It is he 2nd Sthemo.

I know that the first one in 83 at Le Mans made some Hillclimb racing during the end of the eigthies. And most people was saying that this car was based on a Toj chassis.

So the 2nd one was maybe a Chevron B36, then th Arolia and then the car seen at Le Mans with José Thibault under the name Chevron roc.

[AMICALEMANS]

So look at this one it is the 84 sthemo seen at le Mans

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-09-02-085.jpg

The 83 was known to be based on a TOJ chassis and ran french hillclimb in the middle of the eighties.

So the first could be a Toj basis
and the second a Chevron basis which became Arolia and the the Chevron seen at Le Mans in 85 (and in 86 at scruteenering

[fausto]

Originally Posted by AMICALEMANS

So look at this one it is the 84 sthemo seen at le Mans

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-09-02-085.jpg

The 83 was known to be based on a TOJ chassis and ran french hillclimb in the middle of the eighties.

So the first could be a Toj basis
and the second a Chevron basis which became Arolia and the the Chevron seen at Le Mans in 85 (and in 86 at scruteenering

No, I don't think that the Sthemo2 became the Isolia, I could check, but remember the Sthemo had a brand new chassis, wasn't built on the basis of something "old", probably Striebig started selling bodyworks to other teams/manufacturers to recoup some of the money spent

[AMICALEMANS]

So,
We have 3 cars with the same Bodywork : The first Sthemo in 83, the Isolia in 85 and 86 (known as based on B36 chassis) and the Chevron TJ Roc (based also on B36) in 87 and 88.

Sportscaruniverse told that the first Sthemo was an original chassis (? and why not a B36 frame, just because it was cheap at these days) with some Mossinger Toj components.
What i suppose is that Ferrarin bought the bodyworks from Sthemo (and maybe the chassis) to built the Isolia with a 10 years old B36 chassis. He ran Spa in 85, Nurburg, brands and Spa in 86 (ran with a BMW L4 and then a DFV). Then the car "disappear" !
In june 87, a man call José Thibault (a kind of "gangster-driver") entered a Chevron-Roc with a modified-sthemo body. I think he purchased the car from Ferrarin, and in fact, it was the Isolia fitted with a Roc engines. This car did some laps in the 87 24hours of Le Mans. In 88, he tried to enter the car as a TJ 01, but ACO do not accept the entry. End of the story.

I read on another english forum, that the bodyshell of an old sthemo-isolia-chevron is in a junkyard in France. And i think that the chassis is know under a B36 bodywork.

According to sportscarsuniverse, the 2nd Sthemo was based on Toj gr6 Chassis, ran Le Mans and then ran in french hillclimb.

[AMICALEMANS]

Just to ad that Hubert Striebig the ST of Sthemo is well know
http://www.routiers.com/sejtbases/ro...r0774ent01.pdf

I have to call him one of these day...

[DBAKER]

Good to see the thread started for this one.
Wondering if there is any other info available on other chassis numbers and any relevant facts beyond the re-bodied specials already discussed.

[John Turner]

Now moved back into the archive. Must be much more info to come, though, I think!

[s griswold]

Originally Posted by driftwood

B36 Fortina with lancia LC1 turbo engine

The Fortina group C car is B36 /76 /02 and the chassis plate is still on it.The rear of the chassis is hardly touched and it would be easy to put the Ford or BMW back in it.
Chassis B36/76 /01 I believe was the Targa winning car of Avv. Restivo which I bought from Vito Venninata in Ragusa and sold to los Angeles.
According to Vin Malkie there is a B36 with the same chassis no: 02 but I seriously doubt it is the real car. Many of the Eris Tondelli cars which came to Italy seem to have emerged in other parts of the world only to have the original turn up in Italy where they were never faked. I see that Tondelli or his son are new competeing in an Osella PA9 in hill climbs so there might be some more info to come.
regards Stephen in Italy

[driftwood]

with time passing is the car more a Fortina Gp C car or Chevron??!!!

[s griswold]

With time passing the car has definitely remained a B36. In fact about the only change is the coupe top as the rear section and wing is B36.The front body and the tub are virtually untouched.It still runs on original suspension and wheels.
Fortina wasn't a constructor but his idea was to offer a conversion to enable penurius racers to go group C racing.
Cheers Stephen

[driftwood]

Yes i appreciate its originality but what i meant is it a Chevron b36 or as it has been so long in Fortina spec is that its "history" and identity now?
as a B36 it was racing for what 2-3 years?

Like some of the 2 litre can am cars in usa -say a march 782 is converted to can am in 1980 and today its still in that spec -is it an F2 car or a can am car after 20 odd years?

[s griswold]

I suspose it might be a question of which history is most interesting. Chassis no 1 was the Targa Florio winner ,but later was used in hillclimbs of little consequence in Italy. As a Fortina modified B36 i think it may have only done a race or 2 but probably a great many more as a B36. I will however try to find out. I certainly would rather have a B36 than a Fortina!!!