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22 May 2007, 08:37
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For me, I'd like to see two of the Audi's expire in a vast cloud of smoke and steam in the first 5 laps. And the other could be delayed for 3-4 laps. Now that would make things a bit more interesting......
(Actually, I'm just completely mesmerised by Adam's new avatar.....  )
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22 May 2007, 15:39
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I'm amazed that so many are eager to put their numbers in, so soon. I know I'm going to wait until after the test day to see if anything is given away, first.
Some data to ponder, though:
1993: 375 laps = 5100.000 km for the Peugeot 905
1999: 366 laps = 4982.974 km (BMW)
2000: 368 laps = 5007.988 km
2001: rain
2002: 375 laps = 5118.750 km <-- new "post-Mulsanne chicane" record - FSI introduction
2003: 377 laps = 5146.050 km <-- new "post-Mulsanne chicane" record for Bentley - top Audi did 372 laps, so a bit of a slip
2004: 379 laps = 5173.350 km <-- new "post-Mulsanne chicane" record
2005: 369 laps = 5036.850 km
2006: 380 laps = 5187.000 km <-- new "post-Mulsanne chicane" record, first time out for the R10
for reference:
1988: 394 laps = 5332.970 km ("post-Porsche curves" record) <= 391 laps of current configuration
1971: 396 laps = 5335.313 km (overall record) <= 391 laps
So, Peugeot has a few targets to aim for, as do Audi. First, Peugeot's own record of 5100 km, which translates into 374 laps in today's current configuration. Audi already has surpassed that. Second, the overall post-chicane record, which this year will require 381 laps. Again, that's to claim the mark currently held by Audi. And, third, the overall distance record, which would require 391 laps... (edit: due to change in circuit length to 13.629 km, it's actually 392)
Can Audi up their pace (or Peugeot set theirs) to get 11 (12) more laps than last year? That would require, assuming 45 minutes in the pits, a race pace of 3:34 (3:33.5). Doable over 24 hours?
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22 May 2007, 17:46
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Originally Posted by paul-collins
Can Audi up their pace (or Peugeot set theirs) to get 11 more laps than last year? That would require, assuming 45 minutes in the pits, a race pace of 3:34. Doable over 24 hours?
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Some interesting musing there Paul.
My short answer is I doubt it.
In fact, I doubt it very much - unless they really have to. In which case it needs Peugeot to have the speed and reliability to race them hard all the way. Man, I'd love to see it, but I won't be holding my breath.....
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23 May 2007, 09:42
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I think that the race pace of the diesel class will be faster than the qualifying pace of petrol class. The writing is already on the wall with what we have seen this year with the Pug. Pescarolo is right. I wonder how many other team owners have supported him?
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23 May 2007, 12:46
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Yes, I think it's a real stretch to get that kind of pace over 24 hours - but, until Audi came along, I'd have thought it was a stretch to spend less than 1h in the pits. (Bentley, IIRC, was under 36 minutes with their Audi-trained crew in 2003. And while the cars were not interchangeable, the expertise was.)
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23 May 2007, 17:28
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Originally Posted by canam
I think that the race pace of the diesel class will be faster than the qualifying pace of petrol class. The writing is already on the wall with what we have seen this year with the Pug. Pescarolo is right. I wonder how many other team owners have supported him?
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No surprise. Prior to the R10, the R8's were able to out pace the atmo. cars quite easily. Le Mans has favored the turbos for quite some time.
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26 May 2007, 00:44
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Originally Posted by paul-collins
Yes, I think it's a real stretch to get that kind of pace over 24 hours - but, until Audi came along, I'd have thought it was a stretch to spend less than 1h in the pits. (Bentley, IIRC, was under 36 minutes with their Audi-trained crew in 2003. And while the cars were not interchangeable, the expertise was.)
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How much is the smaller fuel cell going to cost them in pit time?
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26 May 2007, 20:30
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No surprise. Prior to the R10, the R8's were able to out pace the atmo. cars quite easily. Le Mans has favored the turbos for quite some time.
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Does that translate into 'Le Mans has favored torque for quite some time?' as that seems to be the part of performance equalisation that is the most difficult to effect.
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4 Jun 2007, 14:46
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Interesting test day results.
Edited to add weather outlook here.
Wednesday/Thursday might not be as quick as anticipated. The weather currently does not look hot for the race, though, which would play into any real distance runs.
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4 Jun 2007, 15:03
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Interesting test day results.
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Yes , but imagine how interesting they would be if the petrol engines were allowed to be on par with the oil burners!
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4 Jun 2007, 16:51
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5 Jun 2007, 04:31
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Mmm, interesting 'Pole Prediction' from Mr.Collins.......
paul-collins
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3:38.420
.......someone been studying the weather forecast a little too closely!
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5 Jun 2007, 12:38
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Busted!
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5 Jun 2007, 17:20
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I find it hard to believe that all four sessions will be wet. These summer rain systems usually pass through quickly enough that if one day is wet, the next will be dry or vice versa. A bold prediction from Mr. Collins however.....
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5 Jun 2007, 17:33
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niel, I don't believe the whole time will be pouring - but I think it will be tricky to get a true qualifying lap. Note that I'm only 14 seconds off the fastest time predicted, so it will be a tentative lap but not a full rain lap...
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