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31 Aug 2015, 07:24 (Ref:3570172) | #7176 | |
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I see class 1 like this- as usual, the U.S. will go their way while the rest of the world are doing something else together. The tusc prototype regs will leave much to be desired. Instead of doing something with brand relevance in a proven package in gt500, they'll go with "dp-lmp2". Class 1 has huge potential with 6 top brands on board. I wanna believe the ford lmp1 rumors, but I dont see it hapening alongside the gte.
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I'd support Class One for a top class if they would drop the 4 banger turbo restriction and open it up to other configurations. Even the old DP super-tightly-regulated engine crap would be an improvement as it would at least allow some variety in sound. |
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What would Class1 bring to the USA motorsports world? We already have a GT series, and a silhouette touring car series. Do we want it just because?
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By the way I didn't make my comments as an indication that anything is happening, they were just to clarify that this is a red line for JAF involving themselves in America. |
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That question has been answered before. Like what I said above in reply to Accident. Tusc is insistent on keeping the look alike aspect in prototype, well you have 6 manufacturers with cars that have just that going on with a ruleset that works. So theyre going about doing things their way but its irrelevant to just about everyone else but them. They cant run their version of p2 at LM. Why even use LM style cars? |
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1 Sep 2015, 00:47 (Ref:3570358) | #7182 | |
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It's not particularly fair to compare the costs of a category that actually exists and thus of course actually costs like twice as much as it was estimated to and one that doesn't exist and is still operating on fairy tail math.
The cost issue is not necessarily relevant anyways, IMSA P looks fairly locked at around half a dozen serious cars or less because all pay driver money goes to PC and exposure driven sponsorship is basically non-existent. Class-1 at least probably guarantees you ~4-5 manufacturers consistently involved in US sports car racing forcing at least one serious car onto the grid rather than the current state of one Chevrolet and half a Honda. On the other hand I wouldn't say Class 1 would necessarily be safe at Daytona, the cars are lighter than a DP and have nothing to keep them on the ground. |
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Those manufacturers actually need to build those cars and spend the money running teams, the status quo won't change sorry. Chev likes their current engine and badging deal and it'll continue into new P2, Honda will likely want to do the same and there's other manufacturers in the US who would be happy to spend the money to produce an engine and bodywork and let someone else foot the bill for the actual day to day running of the team.
Class 1 wouldn't work in the US. Ever. |
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On the other hand, I do agree there is too much competiton here in America for a separate series of Class 1 to take off. NASCAR, Supercross, IMSA, PWC etc. At best, Class 1 would have to fit into a series a la the top class in the Weathertech sports car championship. But you do that, then the Le Mans link is further torn. |
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It's not the rules, it's the manufacturers. Those that want brand recognition have it as the rules in Tudor are now and into the future.
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1 Sep 2015, 09:19 (Ref:3570441) | #7187 | |
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Trans-Am has better potential then Class1. It's cheaper, has more cars on the grid, has the American big 3 support. But also has name recognition. If they play their card right then they could have another resurgence one day.
I think NASCAR just wants a sprint series with international recognition but without actually trying to make their own rules. So if it fails they can say,"well at least it wasn't our money." |
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Honestly, I think a different group other than IMSA should manage TUSC and that stillborn US DTM series (if that's confirmed dead). That group will allow both Class One and souped-up LMP2 cars race in the prototype class, and they should dictate on the teams on whether they want brand recognition or go to Le Mans? If some teams like Action Express Racing and Wayne Taylor Racing want the former, go to Class One. For others who want to go the latter or don't have the money to buy Class One cars, choose P2 cars! |
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1 Sep 2015, 12:34 (Ref:3570486) | #7190 | |
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I just want to post to say Trans Am is terrible and not an alternative to anything. It's club level racing.
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The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has an update on the WEC to Road America rumors. Seems that they are just rumors:
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I'm wondering if any of you have seen a Trans Am paddock recently, the series has been/is booming and getting more professional by the day.
but I agree Class 1 is too far out of their league - for now. Might be different in 2 or 3 years time. And it's a good thing TA is not an alternative for anything - it simply doesn't need to be, it's exciting the way it is! |
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Secondly, 2016 was never in the works. 2018, is possible but ONLY if... NASCRAP gets off it's horse and makes a descion to go to Road America, they've refused to commit to a date for the last two years, and as of this last weekend, it's not in the cards for 2016 either. Looks like a 2017 date is the target, and if they get it secured, a 2018 date for the WEC is what would be desired. The contracts are signed with an open date on Road Americas part, and is in the hands of NASCAR.. they just wont' sign it Road America is unlikely to move forward with the pit complex if Sprint Cup doesn't show....there is little incentive, and the WEC isn't enough. Knowing they'd pack 200,000 people into the joint for NASCAR at $100/ticket and knowing they could make $20 million in ticket sales alone?(plus play off the new pit/VIP/media complex, and have a bankroll to pay for other series)...... that's motivation. Hell, in '93 with Mansell running CART they put 65,000 people in for race day alone. You couldn't move in the facility, and backups to get in the place were measured in tens of miles. Literally.... The WEC is not likely to re-negotiate with COTA for a post 2016 date unless drastic improvements are made this year, and next in terms of attendance. EDIT: I should also add, that if COTA is dumped(and is highly probable)it will be relaced with a different round for 2017. Montreal/Mexico are the short list. Last edited by MoMedic9019; 1 Sep 2015 at 19:00. |
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Why would Sprint Cup need new pit complex if Nationwide, or whatever it's called now, plays just fine with the way things currently are?
And even if such updates would be constructed, why would they be European styled actual physical garages (the ones WEC lusts for), NASCAR doesn't exactly require them? What about the VIP facilities and other corporate crap. Anyway... you did say some time ago that Indianapolis wasn't one of those States targets that WEC had approached, yet here we are again, both parties saying strict no to RA appearance (the hotels excuse from ACO couldn't be 'fixed' even with new facilities) and that no true talks have been made. Yet with Indianapolis they have met actually before, possible multiple times since the initial meeting last year, and now ACO insist on that being the only possible target in US beyond COTA. Which is a lie of course, but their preference regardless. So if COTA is ditched and they go to Indy, at least until F1 constructs new soulless Tilkedrome to replace their US Grand Prix, do we think that ACO-FIA would give moment of thought for second US race, even if the facilities were upgraded... they'd go to Montreal or Mexico for second NA event before that |
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They would have to reprofile the entire track at Road America for the WEC to race there.
Nah...Trans Am don't need Class1. Tube frames TA cars make better races then the Class1 cars. |
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To think there were full house LMP1s still racing at RA... or you know, LIME ROCK, two years ago from today
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Give TA2 WTCC-style widebodies and that's as close to Class One as the USA would ever need. (and, frankly, TA2 does NOT need that) |
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