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**BertMk2** · 12 Oct 2006, 19:00 (Ref:1736498)

It works for me

I went to both the DTM and WTCC meetings at Brands and the DTM is way more spectacular. The cars look better and sound better. The racing was on a par. The format could be improved by having two races at a single meeting like the WTCC.

In its current form you're right - it's not really viable (if Mercedes pulled out it would die in an instant). But surely it's possible to make the principle viable? Cars with big grunty engines, rear wheel drive, no traction control, ABS or fancy gizmos. Silhouettes are fine by me.

cos · 19 Oct 2006, 14:50 (Ref:1742160)

Autosport today says that Dario Franchitti will not be racing DTM in '07, just in case anyone was interested...

Last2LiftOff · 22 Oct 2006, 12:39 (Ref:1744935)

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Originally Posted by kmchow

Alfa for their '07 DTM season with the 159s???

2007 or, 2008? dtm.de coverage suggests Alfa Romeo DTM in 2008. Did I miss something?

**FIRE** · 22 Oct 2006, 14:53 (Ref:1745021)

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Originally Posted by Last2LiftOff

2007 or, 2008? dtm.de coverage suggests Alfa Romeo DTM in 2008. Did I miss something?

Were did you read this? I can't find the article.

Last2LiftOff · 22 Oct 2006, 18:45 (Ref:1745250)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Were did you read this? I can't find the article.

Announcer's commentary half way through the Le Mans video highlights Fire. Didn't sound like a done deal though.

kmchow · 22 Oct 2006, 23:22 (Ref:1745576)

Their comeback has been rumored for at least 2 years so I think most of us fans will believe it when we see a 169 line up on the DTM starting grid.

Tibbett · 23 Oct 2006, 09:13 (Ref:1745879)

The ITR's arrogance will kill DTM unfortunately.

They are spreading rumours about a new manufacturer for over 3 years now, but with the current technical regulations it's not interesting for any manufacturer at all.

They should go to the Super Touring reg's. Still different from S2000, but much less b*llsh*t.

Alfa Fan · 23 Oct 2006, 18:37 (Ref:1746592)

Super Touring? No way. Its dead, and would never recover. Having Super 2000 as the headline series in Germany might be a good idea though.

Hazard · 23 Oct 2006, 21:20 (Ref:1746808)

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Originally Posted by Alfa Fan

Super Touring? No way. Its dead, and would never recover. Having Super 2000 as the headline series in Germany might be a good idea though.

That would involve a merge/assination of Procar though. It may die on it's own anyway, but I can't see things being that deperate for the DTM yet.

We've likened to two national makes thing in the DTM to V8 Supercars before, and I think it's very apt. It doesn't appear to have done V8's that much harm...they may need to seperate the teams a bit more though.

J-C · 23 Oct 2006, 23:06 (Ref:1746873)

Yes, in V8 Supercars although there are 2 manufacturers, there are 7-8 teams per manufacturer so you don't get quite the orchestrations you sometimes see in the DTM where although there are 3-4 teams running each manufacturers' cars, team orders and tactics seem much more prevailant.

**FIRE** · 24 Oct 2006, 20:28 (Ref:1748093)

I think we are going off-topic but it's an interesting subject so may I suggest to go further in the "Your ultimate touring car championship" topic?

Last2LiftOff · 28 Oct 2006, 11:54 (Ref:1751874)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

It works for me

I went to both the DTM and WTCC meetings at Brands and the DTM is way more spectacular. The cars look better and sound better. The racing was on a par.

I've never been to either a WTCC or a DTM race, but gotta say that watching DTM is pretty good. The cars, the sound, the racing, it's all good stuff; touring car or not. So for what it's worth I think that's me agreeing with you Bert.

flor · 29 Oct 2006, 14:18 (Ref:1752768)

wow Frentzen is really ****ed :P

Hazard · 29 Oct 2006, 14:20 (Ref:1752771)

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Originally Posted by flor

wow Frentzen is really ****ed :P

He should be, but I didn't see...what did he do?

Ekstrom might have just walked out of his Audi drive there.

Tibbett · 29 Oct 2006, 14:23 (Ref:1752774)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

He should be, but I didn't see...what did he do?

Ekstrom might have just walked out of his Audi drive there.

You're kidding right? Ekström will not leave Audi, nor will he be fired. Look how many bad years Tomczyk had and he's still there.

Frentzen on the other hand will leave Audi, i'm sure.

Hazard · 29 Oct 2006, 14:27 (Ref:1752776)

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Originally Posted by Tibbett

You're kidding right? Ekström will not leave Audi, nor will he be fired. Look how many bad years Tomczyk had and he's still there.

Frentzen on the other hand will leave Audi, i'm sure.

Nope. (Though I never said fired)

Ekstrom has other options he's been looking at (Rallying)...but both of the Red Bull Audi drivers were appalling at the start of this year as Tom lead they way.

But Tomczyk's turned what looked like being his worst year around in the last half of this season.

Frentzen's performances have been as average as Alesi's & Hakkinen's, but he carries the ex-F1 tag which is worth quite a bit. If he wants to stay and a sponsor is there for the car, he'll stay.

Question really is more whether Kristensen will stay for another year, or go back to a sportscars ride.

(post to go to silly season when done)

flor · 29 Oct 2006, 14:31 (Ref:1752779)

HHF said in an interview after the race that he never felt welcome in his team

Hazard · 29 Oct 2006, 14:36 (Ref:1752783)

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Originally Posted by flor

HHF said in an interview after the race that he never felt welcome in his team

Really?

Alright, that does sound a bit like a leaving speech then. Will watch closely.

Tibbett · 29 Oct 2006, 14:53 (Ref:1752798)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

Ekstrom has other options he's been looking at (Rallying)...but both of the Red Bull Audi drivers were appalling at the start of this year as Tom lead they way.

Ekström always said he wanted to stay at least 5 more years in DTM before going rallying, so I think he still feels that way

Tibbett · 29 Oct 2006, 14:55 (Ref:1752799)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

Really?

Alright, that does sound a bit like a leaving speech then. Will watch closely.

http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=799

Hazard · 29 Oct 2006, 15:03 (Ref:1752800)

Still, 4 top drives for Audi to be had next year. Kristensen certainly has one IF he wants it. Maybe he'll go to ALMS.

Tomczyk and Ekstrom could keep their seats since Frentzen looks to be walking.

But Scheider, Kaffer & Abt are waiting in the wings, and seem to have been really hampered by their cars this season. We know some of these guys true pace (Scheider was easily the top Opel in '04 over Frentzen, Fassler etc.) - so they could be given their shot in the real wheels.

**FIRE** · 29 Oct 2006, 15:41 (Ref:1752806)

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Originally Posted by flor

HHF said in an interview after the race that he never felt welcome in his team

Do they need Frentzen if they sign Schumacher?

Tibbett · 29 Oct 2006, 17:41 (Ref:1752863)

Abt recently said he has shown he was worthy of a 2007 car, but i'm afraid if missed him showing that. Scheider was the best driver of the 2005 cars this year, so should someone get the last 2007 car from the current field, it should be him. But I wouldn't be surprised if someone new would get it.

I think Kristensen, Ekström and Tomczyk will stay on for next year and will all be getting a 2007 car.

outflat · 29 Oct 2006, 17:53 (Ref:1752872)

Maybe Frentzen will go to Mercedes - bringing his career full circle

Hazard · 29 Oct 2006, 18:40 (Ref:1752904)

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Originally Posted by Tibbett

Abt recently said he has shown he was worthy of a 2007 car, but i'm afraid if missed him showing that. Scheider was the best driver of the 2005 cars this year, so should someone get the last 2007 car from the current field, it should be him. But I wouldn't be surprised if someone new would get it.

I think Kristensen, Ekström and Tomczyk will stay on for next year and will all be getting a 2007 car.

Hmmm, new? Audi have run through their entire sportscar stable in DTM and only Kristensen has pulled it off. Lehto & Herbert are looking possible for ALMS drives next year which can only free up two of McNish, Capello, Biela & Pirro - I'm doubtful if ANY of those fancy another go at DTM. (Marco Werner?)

So maybe someone completely new to Audi? Or maybe a pinch from Mercedes if they can't lay enough cars for their camp.

The hardest one to call.

What next for Frentzen? Speeches like that aren't exactly setting him up for an Audi sportscar ride either. Maybe he'll follow Bartels to FIA GT - or he'd be a top grab in the WTCC for the second Schnitzer BMW if Dirk Muller is leaving.

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