Raikkonen - what a drive

Kicking-back · 4 Sep 2005, 13:35 (Ref:1398561)

30 seconds behind after a few laps - ended up 22 seconds off a win.

If Kimi hadn't had the puncture, he would have been second, and then Juan Pablo would surely have moved over.

Interestingly - Mika Hakkinen had a career dogged by bad luck for its first seven seasons - at least Kimi's bagged a few wins already.

Okay - Kimi did have a spin, but that was because he was pushing SO hard.

The best driver on the grid now, I believe.

Dani Filth · 4 Sep 2005, 13:41 (Ref:1398567)

bar for that spin .. probably 3rd was possible. . but still .. driving hard damages tires ..

Dixie Flatline · 4 Sep 2005, 13:49 (Ref:1398570)

Imagine how well he might have gone if he was able to get past JV before the first stop, or better yet, made a better start and kept JV behind him.

Gt_R · 4 Sep 2005, 13:53 (Ref:1398575)

Great drive from Kimi. You can almost feel the cold hard determination that guy has to put the car through the corners as fast as it can go.

Can't really blame him for the spin when he's going flat out and a bit more... really tough luck for this guy...he could have so easily dominated the race.

He had shown himself to be an absolute top-drawer driver...even more impressive than his teammate and Alonso. Pity that till now, we've yet a good chance to see those guys fight it out for a whole race without one falling out.

BootsOntheSide · 4 Sep 2005, 14:14 (Ref:1398591)

He probably saved a couple of laps of fuel while running behidn JV, which may have been what made the one-stop strategy possible. Certainly his qualifying lap maximised his situation, and everything except the start and the spin were excellent. I'm sure he'll get plenty of Driver of the Race votes, although not mine.

Russ-Turner · 4 Sep 2005, 14:17 (Ref:1398595)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

The best driver on the grid now, I believe.

Schey hasn't lost the ability to win seven titles overnight. Raikkonen is still second best IMO.

429CJ · 4 Sep 2005, 14:19 (Ref:1398598)

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Originally Posted by Russ-Turner

Schey hasn't lost the ability to win seven titles overnight. Raikkonen is still second best IMO.

Six times, Russ-Turner, six times.
(1994 champion was Damon Hill)

Knowlesy · 4 Sep 2005, 14:19 (Ref:1398599)

It was a good drive apart from the continuing inability to overtake and the small spin towards the end. But still some effort.

Inigo Montoya · 4 Sep 2005, 14:23 (Ref:1398611)

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Originally Posted by 429CJ

Six times, Russ-Turner, six times.
(1994 champion was Damon Hill)

Huh?

Anyways... another superb drive by Kimi.

cool man fan · 4 Sep 2005, 14:25 (Ref:1398613)

Sorry.....when you have a car that is almost 1 sec faster than the rest except Renault..... 4rth place is a minimum....whichever position on the grid you start from....

Pingguest · 4 Sep 2005, 14:30 (Ref:1398618)

A shame for Raikkonen. He tried hard, but unfortunately he was unable to finish in front of Alonso. Unfortunately for Kimi, Alonso can become the world champion in Spa.

Menelaos · 4 Sep 2005, 14:33 (Ref:1398621)

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Sorry.....when you have a car that is almost 1 sec faster than the rest except Renault..... 4rth place is a minimum....whichever position on the grid you start from....

ah, yeah, did you even watch the gp? Starting 11th, being totally unable to pass anyone on circuit because regulations make it IMPOSSIBLE and also having to change a tyre exactly when you need to stay close to the leaders. And all this after one year of continuous frustration, knowing that you've done everything you could and you were always screwed because of problems that were not your fault. Yeah, in fact his race was not good. I think they must fire him and ask I don't know maybe Alex Yoong to drive for McLaren?

Knowlesy · 4 Sep 2005, 14:34 (Ref:1398625)

It may just happen next week you know, I'm not confident a Mercedes engine can go through Spa AND Monza. It's a punishing duty cycle. At least Kimi has a fresher engine than Montoya though (unless Montoya is due a new one next weekend, which I don't think he is).

cool man fan · 4 Sep 2005, 14:40 (Ref:1398636)

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Originally Posted by Menelaos

Yeah, in fact his race was not good. I think they must fire him and ask I don't know maybe Alex Yoong to drive for McLaren?

dude calm down......Kimi Raikkonnen is a fab driver no doubt but it wasnt the greatest drive ever....i mean he has such a car advantage....plus the spin...no doubt he was pushing hard but almost all the drivers out there were pushing hard....they didnt spin now did they....

Kicking-back · 4 Sep 2005, 14:41 (Ref:1398637)

Montoya will have a new engine at Spa.

He retired in Hungary, so had a new one for Turkey.

GolddustMini · 4 Sep 2005, 14:46 (Ref:1398642)

i love this whole "oooh kimi had a great race etc"
who had the spin?
quick hint, it wasnt anybody on the podium.

kimi overcooked it and spun it! (ohhh how very montoya of him!), he also didnt seemingly try very hard to get past JV and sat behind him for most of the first stint, so maybe he made some of the problems himself....

oh no sorry hes wonderkid kimi and we should forget the three drivers who finished ahead of him and between them had a pretty much faultless race from lights to flag.

but seemingly they all got forgotten.........

gotta love 10-10ths for that!

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Okay - Kimi did have a spin, but that was because he was pushing SO hard.

doeesnt montoya get slamed for doing that round here K-B?

Knowlesy · 4 Sep 2005, 14:49 (Ref:1398644)

Fair point I guess.

cool man fan · 4 Sep 2005, 14:53 (Ref:1398647)

Well said Golddust mini!!!

Kicking-back · 4 Sep 2005, 14:54 (Ref:1398649)

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Originally Posted by GolddustMini

doeesnt montoya get slamed for doing that round here K-B?

Not by me.

If you push hard and have a spin, it may lose, say 8 seconds.

If you drive a second a lap slower, you lose a lot more.

Knowlesy · 4 Sep 2005, 14:57 (Ref:1398652)

Yes, I remember KB sticking up for Montoya generally when he has made mistakes this year. And all in all, he and Kimi have made a similar amount of them over the year.

But there are some extremists out there who would have been jumping up and down on Montoya or Fisi or anyone else if they had done what Kimi did today. We probably would have had very negative thread started.

F1_KING · 4 Sep 2005, 15:02 (Ref:1398656)

it was a good drive by kimi, but dont forget he has the fastest car on the grid. MS is still the best driver on the grid.

GolddustMini · 4 Sep 2005, 15:02 (Ref:1398657)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

But there are some extremists out there who would have been jumping up and down on Montoya or Fisi or anyone else if they had done what Kimi did today. We probably would have had very negative thread started.

i think thats more what i was getting at, didnt mean to point the finger at K-B (on this ocasion!)

Knowlesy · 4 Sep 2005, 15:05 (Ref:1398662)

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Originally Posted by F1_KING

it was a good drive by kimi, but dont forget he has the fastest car on the grid. MS is still the best driver on the grid.

Hope you're not basing that on todays perfornance. MS was outdriven by Barrichello (until tyre problem) and had one of his more lacklustre races IMO.

Shame, his quali lap was committed enough.

Menelaos · 4 Sep 2005, 15:12 (Ref:1398675)

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Originally Posted by cool man fan

dude calm down......Kimi Raikkonnen is a fab driver no doubt but it wasnt the greatest drive ever....i mean he has such a car advantage....plus the spin...no doubt he was pushing hard but almost all the drivers out there were pushing hard....they didnt spin now did they....

I'm calm

I don't get angry with these things

And I do agree with you, it wasn't the best gp he's ever done or something, but do you really believe that anyone could have done this? Schumacher, Alonso, Montoya, yeah maybe. But anyone else?

Kicking-back · 4 Sep 2005, 15:14 (Ref:1398679)

People say "MS is the best driver on the grid" because that's the easiest answer to give.

It's based on history and achievement and it doesn't need a lot of thought.

But absolutely right now, I think Kimi's better - and a lot of people increasingly think that too - Jackie Stewart for one.

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